Mike Morris

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We can thank the unions controlled by the mob for that. I know grossly over paid auto workers that have homes near my home in Florida. Two I met could barely read and write.

If you make a crap product or mismanaged you should go out of business. I don't think the government should have helped them. Especially when they were flying out to DC in their chartered jets. Be like me asking Marc for money while driving around a new Vette despite being broke.

Lawhead

iTrader: (14)

Damn grasping at straws at this point....

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

I agree 100%

subzerotm

Why, because you're too ignorant to see the big picture? Lolz

Lawhead

iTrader: (14)

You go from arguing about car manufactures to how China has the country by the ***** in a weak deflection of the subject.......Keep trying buttercup

"MAC"

iTrader: (1)

Actually the government sold their stock in GM which is why the government or tax payers lost money. If your gonna try and use facts then you might wanna use the right facts instead of tryn to make GM look bad...

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/deal...g-stake-in-gm/

fruitsalad

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Yep, still clinging to the bailout money claim. Wannabe political debate aside, and notwithstanding the tenuous positions of the alleged supporting factors in question: if your selection in, or any process of selection in or review of performance cars is in any way a (roundabout, ***-backwards, passive aggressive, ineffective) quasi-political statement, or generally related to anything other than the concrete merits of cars, go buy a ******* Prius and 20 bumper stickers and putter down the freeway at 55mph in the fast lane, because you're on the same level, at best, as those people.

"MAC"

iTrader: (1)

So you think its ok for the government to purposely cause another great depression? What do you think would of happened if the government let GM and Chrysler go out of business? Free mustangs for everyone? Lmao your a ******* idiot! If they did let those companies go out of business then the unemployment rate would have sky rocketed. And the government would be handing out more welfare checks... think before you speak

"MAC"

iTrader: (1)

^^^This lol

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

GM made themselves look bad. They ran that company into the ground and then took our money so they wouldn't go out of business. The standard has been set. They can do anything they want and we will bail them out again because they are "too big to fail".

Quoted from your article link:

Over all, the government spent more than $80 billion to save G.M., Chrysler and their suppliers. The third Detroit automaker, Ford Motor, survived the recession without direct financial aid from Washington.

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

Thanks for playing. I will try to keep up with you guys.

"MAC"

iTrader: (1)

So by your logic a great depression is better no?

islander033

Hey GAYFIRE...

Did you just get out of prison or finally remembered your logon info from Nov 11/13?

subzerotm

I was simply pointing out that a lousy 11 Billion dollars is NOTHING compared to the 17+ TRILLION dollars that our government has buried us in. I'd be way more mad at our government then GM. Im sorry that that is too hard for your simple mind to comprehend.

Ford also just got lucky, plain and simple. With the aid of that taxpayer/government loan and a well timed bank loan of 23 billion dollars, Ford managed to tiptoe past the graveyard and avoid bankruptcy.

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

If GM needs 50 billion more in five years because of bad business practices, you are good with that?

Mike Morris

iTrader: (55)

Sadly that is true. The unions who helped elected officials get into office will make sure of that. Government will never let GM go under. GM has been mismanaged for the last 20 years. They need to downsize for sure.

Lawhead

iTrader: (14)

Which has nothing to do with the argument you were getting proven wrong in time and time again.......Good talk

subzerotm

Do you think that you could manage GM better? Lol

subzerotm

I initially said that Ford took government money. They did. Good talk, sweet cheeks.

Blown383LS1

iTrader: (23)

They should have filed for chapter 11 and went through the bankruptcy process. That is all I am saying. I don't dislike GM cars and trucks, I have owned a lot of them and still own two now.