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Old 06-16-2014, 05:58 AM
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Had a few races tonight. My car is an 04 not an 06, ls6 not an ls2. "Custom tune" bs description is my tuner just used a file from his old v, we didn't go datalogging or have a wideband.

I expected to lose to the coyote since he was making ~30-40 more whp and weighs a good 300 lbs less. The 2nd race against the T/A he jumped and held the lead. He has full exhaust, lid, 4.10s, tune.

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Good runs! Glad to see the hypermotive tune putting in work over the canned tune lol.
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yeah on my Camaro I had a programmer, cutout and 3.73s and fendered him out to 120, he had a bama then. I got a real tune on it and some other minor bolt ons, he just changed tune, and he walked away from the Camaro.
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You think with a cam and headers ~420-440 whp and other bolt ons I could beat a bolt on 5.0? I wish I could get lighter wheels but damn 6 lug
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
You think with a cam and headers ~420-440 whp and other bolt ons I could beat a bolt on 5.0? I wish I could get lighter wheels but damn 6 lug
Some guys have changed to the V2 i think 5 lug wheels. Visit the V section of this forum. Lots of good info on these cars. And if my V was pulling light bolt on 5.0s with just headers and tune. A cam one should have no problems yanking one lol. Just gotta pick the best roll speed for the V helps big time.
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
You think with a cam and headers ~420-440 whp and other bolt ons I could beat a bolt on 5.0? I wish I could get lighter wheels but damn 6 lug
I would think so. Headers, cat delete, cam, intake, tune.

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Some guys have changed to the V2 i think 5 lug wheels. Visit the V section of this forum. Lots of good info on these cars. And if my V was pulling light bolt on 5.0s with just headers and tune. A cam one should have no problems yanking one lol. Just gotta pick the best roll speed for the V helps big time.
The 5 lug conversion is probably the best move, but its nowhere near cheap. You're looking at new rims, new tires, new hubs, drilling holes in your rotors, and a bunch of other ****, for the ability to run other rims. Its totally worth it if its within budget. LOL
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
You think with a cam and headers ~420-440 whp and other bolt ons I could beat a bolt on 5.0? I wish I could get lighter wheels but damn 6 lug
A good clutch and a fast rxt would be plenty.

You and others fail to realize you are 35~lb heavier on the clutch than they are. Why the **** are you worried about your wheel weight when the clutch weight has WAY more effect on the car?

You go a cam you may as well do gears too. Prepare to spin it to 7000+ then too or your wasting your $$
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
A good clutch and a fast rxt would be plenty.

You and others fail to realize you are 35~lb heavier on the clutch than they are. Why the **** are you worried about your wheel weight when the clutch weight has WAY more effect on the car?

You go a cam you may as well do gears too. Prepare to spin it to 7000+ then too or your wasting your $$
Car is geared just right with 3.73s. And if you are gonna do a clutch good ahead and buy a aluminum drive shaft to. And you will need more than just a flywheel and clutch to even pull or keep up with a full bolt on 5.0.
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Originally Posted by odthetruth
I would think so. Headers, cat delete, cam, intake, tune.



The 5 lug conversion is probably the best move, but its nowhere near cheap. You're looking at new rims, new tires, new hubs, drilling holes in your rotors, and a bunch of other ****, for the ability to run other rims. Its totally worth it if its within budget. LOL
That's why I stayed on the stock 6 lug lol. Rims fit the car just right to me. And really can't see them weighing a who hell of a lot.
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Originally Posted by OneSlowV
Car is geared just right with 3.73s. And if you are gonna do a clutch good ahead and buy a aluminum drive shaft to. And you will need more than just a flywheel and clutch to even pull or keep up with a full bolt on 5.0.
He didn't say full bolt-ons. He said bolt-ons. He would need full bolt-ons too then. The car is heavier than a fcar and turns 1000 more rpm....maybe a little more if he listens. That makes 4.10's a viable option for him in that car.

I agree on the ds.....except go carbon on it.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
He didn't say full bolt-ons. He said bolt-ons. He would need full bolt-ons too then. The car is heavier than a fcar and turns 1000 more rpm....maybe a little more if he listens. That makes 4.10's a viable option for him in that car.

I agree on the ds.....except go carbon on it.
Should of did carbon on my 5.0 but don't really know how they hold up. Compared to aluminum.
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I have a carbon one in my camaro and it has been fine. If a carbon on is right it's stronger than the aluminum one.......kinda. The carbon ds still has aluminum ends on it.
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Good video. I can't even get a race with a Coyote with my V2. lol
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Originally Posted by Kimura
Good video. I can't even get a race with a Coyote with my V2. lol
Were you from i'm always down to have a friendly run?
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
You think with a cam and headers ~420-440 whp and other bolt ons I could beat a bolt on 5.0? I wish I could get lighter wheels but damn 6 lug

all depends on the one you race, i had high compression cnc heads, mantic clutch, full exhaust, cam and ported fast 92 intake on my 05 v and put down 455/402 on Vengeance racing's dyno and would not pull away from my buddies 5.0 that had a boss intake, cai, deleted cats with x pipe, 3.73 gears and a bama tune... we raced multiple times and were dead even from 40-130+, his car traps 118
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJb_...ature=youtu.be

Another view of some of the races!
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Originally Posted by Goosecaddy05
all depends on the one you race, i had high compression cnc heads, mantic clutch, full exhaust, cam and ported fast 92 intake on my 05 v and put down 455/402 on Vengeance racing's dyno and would not pull away from my buddies 5.0 that had a boss intake, cai, deleted cats with x pipe, 3.73 gears and a bama tune... we raced multiple times and were dead even from 40-130+, his car traps 118
Wow a bama tuned 5.0 putting in work unheard of lol.
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5.0 owner's.... Never heard a group of car owners like them blame the tuner for their loss in races more than anyone else.
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Originally Posted by 4PointSlow
5.0 owner's.... Never heard a group of car owners like them blame the tuner for their loss in races more than anyone else.
That's probably because there are more adjustments to me made with VVT and 4 cams. Don't hurt yourself.
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Great runs. Your CTS-V did well imo.

Brings back memories of my ol CTS-V. Sigh


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