Nick.H @ the track
What car do you own now? Sounds like a healthy H/C setup.
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Fwiw, in short, my old baby cam setup was:
Stock LS1
Stock (untouched) 241 heads off an '01 car
224/224 581 112 Thunder Racing Cam
Comp Behive Springs
Vengeance Ported FAST 90/90 (96mm) (92 wasn't out yet)
MAF delete w/ 3" coupler into MTI Lid
BG Ram Air w/ baffles removed (this was a WS6)
SVO Red top 30# injectors (36# on LS1 rail pressure)
Bosch 255lph pump
ASP 25% UDP
FLP 1-3/4" LT headers (discontinued)
Custom Y w/ FM 3.5" merge
3.5" Cutout
Mufflex w/ 3.5" single exhaust
Stock T56
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
SPEC 4 Clutch
OLSD tune using LS1 Edit
Car made 383whp, I can't remember the torque specs
but it was right around 370-380
Fun car to drive. Had gobs more torque than when it had the stock cam. I remember a local guy dragging me from a roll in his Trex cam-only 6spd Formula.
What I did say is a small cammed car with supporting mods will kick the **** out of a big cammed one with minimal supporting mods like Nick has. Hence why he needs to do all the supporting mods he can before he even thinks about a cam change to whatever donkey dick grind is in this year
I'm still waiting on you to tell me all about those new tech grinds you see on that list.....
Again I'm not saying the new cams arent better but saying the old tech is bad because it doesnt make power is retarded. The new ones just make the same power without killing the valvetrain
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Also guys dont forget it was close to a 4000DA out there when we were running. 88 Degrees. Not exactly ideal for him power wise. I think in better conditions it could trap 85. Still less than i was expecting for him. I agree with you guys. Clutch should be number one. He has to be able to jam gears with confidence. Then LS6 intake. Then 3.90 gears. Then sell it and get a cobra. 
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What I did say is a small cammed car with supporting mods will kick the **** out of a big cammed one with minimal supporting mods like Nick has. Hence why he needs to do all the supporting mods he can before he even thinks about a cam change to whatever donkey dick grind is in this year
Of course a small cam car with supporting mods would **** on a mismatched medium to large cam setup.
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I'm still waiting on you to tell me all about those new tech grinds you see on that list.....
I said the OP's TSP 224 cam is old school and in fact it is. There are similar size cams that will make more power and ultimately go faster than the old junk. Even then I would recommend him go larger.
Originally Posted by redbird555;Again I'm not saying the new cams arent better but saying the old tech is bad because it doesnt make power is retarded. [B
The new ones just make the same power without killing the valvetrain[/b]
I suggest you do your research.
The main thing that sticks out to me on the fastest list is "Race weight". Supporting mods are key but weight and suspension / sticky tires are just as important. A heavy pig will never be as fast as a sneaky squirrel.
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I can't count how many times I've seen an 403 or 408 car with all the top of the line parts, but doesn't run worth a damn because it also has an iron block, 4L80E, 9", cage, heavy wheels, sound system blah blah. And no weight reduction mods. Yeah, it makes 550whp, but it also weighs 3900# with driver. Then wonder why they get drug by something with a lot less power.
When I suggested a larger cam, did you really think I meant without the supporting bolt-on's? That's retarded dude. Come on now.
Of course a small cam car with supporting mods would **** on a mismatched medium to large cam setup.
Well you did say "My advice to the OP would be to run a different camshaft altogether. Something in the mid-230s. That will improve high rpm power and still offer exceptional driveability considering the tune is line. " after that you line you also said heads but didnt say anything about them having to be together just that is would be a nice addition as well...
I posted that list in attemp to dispell the myth that baby cam cars can go as fast or faster than the so-called "donkey dick" camshafts which, as the list proves, is not true. So, in the end, your myth = busted! I'm sure if guys gave half a damn about the LS1 Fast list anymore, with the modern cams in today's age, you would definitely see some records broken. Unfortunately, most guys have moved on to better things, i.e LS3/L92/LS7, Gen V etc etc.
I just cant its like talking to a child with ADD. Again point out to where I said a small cam would be faster than a larger one giving the same mods. I did say some of the fastest ls1's run small cams with all bolt ons and they run hard. Thats true, even you just said that list isnt updated and I never said they were on the "fastest" list thats years old lmao
I said the OP's TSP 224 cam is old school and in fact it is. There are similar size cams that will make more power and ultimately go faster than the old junk. Even then I would recommend him go larger.
Wrong. There are smaller cams that will not only make more peak power but more power under the curve, aside from being easier on valvetrain parts. Patrick & Geoff's EPS grinds come to mind...
If you read my post just one more time
you'll see where is said they are better, see it was right there above that line you decided to take out of context and quote. Ya I used to run an EPS grind and my buddies do yes they are better and some grinds do make a lot more power but XER lobes make great power even by todays standards. With that said would I buy one? Hell no they beat up springs and modern cams are better but I certainly wouldnt sleep on a car with one because its "old tech"
I suggest you do your research.
Of course a small cam car with supporting mods would **** on a mismatched medium to large cam setup.
Well you did say "My advice to the OP would be to run a different camshaft altogether. Something in the mid-230s. That will improve high rpm power and still offer exceptional driveability considering the tune is line. " after that you line you also said heads but didnt say anything about them having to be together just that is would be a nice addition as well...
I posted that list in attemp to dispell the myth that baby cam cars can go as fast or faster than the so-called "donkey dick" camshafts which, as the list proves, is not true. So, in the end, your myth = busted! I'm sure if guys gave half a damn about the LS1 Fast list anymore, with the modern cams in today's age, you would definitely see some records broken. Unfortunately, most guys have moved on to better things, i.e LS3/L92/LS7, Gen V etc etc.
I just cant its like talking to a child with ADD. Again point out to where I said a small cam would be faster than a larger one giving the same mods. I did say some of the fastest ls1's run small cams with all bolt ons and they run hard. Thats true, even you just said that list isnt updated and I never said they were on the "fastest" list thats years old lmao
I said the OP's TSP 224 cam is old school and in fact it is. There are similar size cams that will make more power and ultimately go faster than the old junk. Even then I would recommend him go larger.
Wrong. There are smaller cams that will not only make more peak power but more power under the curve, aside from being easier on valvetrain parts. Patrick & Geoff's EPS grinds come to mind...
If you read my post just one more time
you'll see where is said they are better, see it was right there above that line you decided to take out of context and quote. Ya I used to run an EPS grind and my buddies do yes they are better and some grinds do make a lot more power but XER lobes make great power even by todays standards. With that said would I buy one? Hell no they beat up springs and modern cams are better but I certainly wouldnt sleep on a car with one because its "old tech" I suggest you do your research.
To me, the worst thing about having a big cam is the gas milage. I'm used to driving mine now but I'll never get used to 11MPG. IMO, that's the worst part of it.
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I don't see the point of comparing Ops car to the fastest list when all the cars on that list are all max effort drag cars. I don't think any of them would consider a 22x cam to compete. We all know the bigger cams make more power but does it make sense for him to go with a donkey dick (not that I have a leg to stand on lol)?
To me, the worst thing about having a big cam is the gas milage. I'm used to driving mine now but I'll never get used to 11MPG. IMO, that's the worst part of it.
To me, the worst thing about having a big cam is the gas milage. I'm used to driving mine now but I'll never get used to 11MPG. IMO, that's the worst part of it.
Fwiw, with my Vindicator/Ported 243's I got roughly 15mpg city/25-26 highway. M6 w/ Motive 3.90 gear.
Here's another guy who got similar mileage. I think this was in a heavier GTO too.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr.../topics/208802
11mpg? Who tuned it, Stevie Wonder? That's terrible mileage even for a large camshaft. It probably runs/drives like ****.
Fwiw, with my Vindicator/Ported 243's I got roughly 15mpg city/25-26 highway. M6 w/ Motive 3.90 gear.
Here's another guy who got similar mileage. I think this was in a heavier GTO too.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr.../topics/208802
Fwiw, with my Vindicator/Ported 243's I got roughly 15mpg city/25-26 highway. M6 w/ Motive 3.90 gear.
Here's another guy who got similar mileage. I think this was in a heavier GTO too.
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthr.../topics/208802
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I don't see the point of comparing Ops car to the fastest list when all the cars on that list are all max effort drag cars. I don't think any of them would consider a 22x cam to compete. We all know the bigger cams make more power but does it make sense for him to go with a donkey dick (not that I have a leg to stand on lol)?
To me, the worst thing about having a big cam is the gas milage. I'm used to driving mine now but I'll never get used to 11MPG. IMO, that's the worst part of it.
To me, the worst thing about having a big cam is the gas milage. I'm used to driving mine now but I'll never get used to 11MPG. IMO, that's the worst part of it.
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Mileage is so subjective its not even funny at least in the city. Case in point up at college where traffic is like a parking lot all times of the day and my drive to campus is 4 miles one way I get 12-13 with my mods. Its horrible but its the traffic. Down home the traffic s still there but its much less (even in ft lauderdale) and I get 16 no problem in the city. Hwy is 24-28 depending on how fast im going. Mpg takes a big hit after 75mph
The bolded has been redbird555's point all along. redbird and the rest of us are telling Nick.H to get the proper bolt-on's/supprting mods before worrying about a bigger cam. Because a well matched setup with his current 224 cam will **** on his current mismatched setup with a bigger cam. Seems like we all, except for you, understand Nick can't afford a bigger new cam along with all the proper supporting mods, so we're giving him helpful advice with what he currently has to work with within his means. And you're basically calling us the idiots?