Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Thanks for linking it. No doubt in my mind the 1le won't go toe to toe with the gt350r. Hopefully we get to see a lt1 hp bump soon.

Originally Posted by marc97taws6

I wouldn't call it embarrassing. Ford met its mark with the 350/350R and GM is answering accordingly. The back and forth is great for us consumers.

I will admit, Gm has been pushing a lot of tech first lately. Ford was spoiled for so long not having a direct competitor for the Mustang. Those were great years for business and profit margins when GM allowed them to skate by with the dated 3v from 05-10.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

That remains to be seen. Rumors and speculations from the Camaro6 board that the 1LE is going to beat the 350R... wow who would have guessed? In other news, the sky is blue and grass is green.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Writing is on the wall. The regular ss is better than the pp gt. Likely as good as the gt350 in handling. 1le will a good run fir the gt350r. The z28 will wipe the floor with it.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Writing is on the wall. The regular ss is better than the pp gt. Likely as good as the gt350 in handling. 1le will a good run fir the gt350r. The z28 will wipe the floor with it.

Originally Posted by MACHXLR8

...and all short lived. As Marc was trying to say, the fight to stay on the top by the car manufacturers is never ending. One will simply wait to see what the others comes out with and then do one better.

As already stated, just makes it better for the consumers (like us) who care about performance.

Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang

Hio doesn't care about that though, he only wants GM **** in his mouth.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

Oppenheiser said the new 1LE is 3 seconds faster than old 1LE on their test track. That would still put the new 1LE 2 seconds slower than the 5gen Z/28 on their test track. The Z/28 can't hang with the GT350R, what makes you think the slower 6gen 1LE will?

If the Z/28 doesn't heavily beat the GT350R, then GM completely failed. They've had more than enough time to study the R and beat it with a newer chassis.

Originally Posted by marc97taws6

Damn, with that math in mind GM better have some more for the 1LE

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

It's an add on to an SS. A ~45k car. It shouldn't be anywhere near a 350r. Even beating the regular 350 would be funny IMO.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

Oppenheiser said the new 1LE is 3 seconds faster than old 1LE on their test track. That would still put the new 1LE 2 seconds slower than the 5gen Z/28 on their test track. The Z/28 can't hang with the GT350R, what makes you think the slower 6gen 1LE will?

If the Z/28 doesn't heavily beat the GT350R, then GM completely failed. They've had more than enough time to study the R and beat it with a newer chassis.

Originally Posted by MACHXLR8

...and all short lived. As Marc was trying to say, the fight to stay on the top by the car manufacturers is never ending. One will simply wait to see what the others comes out with and then do one better.

As already stated, just makes it better for the consumers (like us) who care about performance.

Originally Posted by NateLS1Mustang

Hio doesn't care about that though, he only wants GM **** in his mouth.

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

It's an add on to an SS. A ~45k car. It shouldn't be anywhere near a 350r. Even beating the regular 350 would be quite the accomplishment.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

They're making a special package specifically to do this. I would hope they succeed.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

The z28 hung well with the gt350r on wore out tires. I've posted the links to that fact. Both on new tires i may give the z28 the edge. For sure new tires can easily make up the 1.2 second it was diwn while beating the gt350 by 1.8 second. Remember we are talking about the latest greatest furd vs a 10yr old engine/chassis.

So from the math above the gt350r is about 3sec faster than the gt350 on a 2min track. If the 6gen is as fast as the gt350.....and it looks to be that or faster. Then that put the 1le right on the gt350r. Maybe faster.

It's great for everyone. Not looking so great for the wallet tho.

Nate sure does think about **** alot.


Beating the gt350 is a done deal. It's got the r in its headlights.

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

Guess ford didn't get that memo. 1le been around since 2013 on an outdated fat band aided sedan platform and the s550 GT pp can't beat it.

Get back to me when a GT pp is running with a z28. Not gonna happen because it is obvious who is playing catch up.

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

It's an add on to an SS. A ~45k car. It shouldn't be anywhere near a 350r. Even beating the regular 350 would be quite the accomplishment.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

They're making a special package specifically to do this. I would hope they succeed.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

The author of the article said the Z/28 was on a fresh set of tires. You gonna refute the guy who wrote it?

Where are you drawing that conclusion from the math above? The new 1LE is 2 seconds slower than the old Z/28, which was at least 1 second slower than the GT350R - both times done on ~2 minute tracks. That would mean the 1LE is 3 seconds slower than the 350R, which means it'll be struggling with the GT350. Also the 6gen and GT350 don't even have lap times on the same track yet.

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

The author of the article said the Z/28 was on a fresh set of tires. You gonna refute the guy who wrote it?

Where are you drawing that conclusion from the math above? The new 1LE is 2 seconds slower than the old Z/28, which was at least 1 second slower than the GT350R - both times done on ~2 minute tracks. That would mean the 1LE is 3 seconds slower than the 350R, which means it'll be struggling with the GT350. Also the 6gen and GT350 don't even have lap times on the same track yet.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

I posted proof it wasn't. ....it's in this thread. Besides that you could see the tires was shot. Please back up your claim.

Think about it.....there's a ****** reason furd has cherry picked the tracks the gt350 has ran. 6gen >gt350

Hell the 5gen was > all previous furds. Furd never had nothing to compete with it till the gt350r

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...459947&page=17

post 228

Edit... Some people who were there and have pics to prove it claim that the 1le beat the z28. Got this info from a mustang forum

Originally Posted by slowZZZ

I sent an email to the author of the article, Scott Evans. He replied with:



You sound like a conspiracy theorist man. Ford cherry picking track times for the GT350 that are done by magazines? Lol. If anyone, it's GM that's paying off the magazines.



"It didn't beat the z28. But..... I'll let you put it together from here. There were laps faster than the 1:39" directly from the thread you linked.