96 cobra vs 95 trans am
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It is ok you are just delusional. The 5.4/5.8 with GT heads will make more n/a power than any 4.6/5.0. They only thing that made the coyote better was out of the box power because of the factory compression/cams/manifold. Something the 5.4/4.6 never got from the factory. The old Cobra R is a perfect example of 5.4 dominance. They will make similar bolton power as the 5.0 with a lot less compression, a manifold that makes peak power at 5500 and smaller cams.
with only 318 cubic inches, first gen coyotes are capable of over 600 rwhp. 630 is the re order I believe.
2nd gen coyotes need more time for development. My bet is another 20-40 rwhp.
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You act like there was a lot of them lmao
Yes it would be competitive to this day. Uh lets see, aluminium 5.4, Compression at 11.5:1, a better manifold that peaks around 7000, Slightly larger cams, possible direct injection. That would put it around 500sae from the factory. I would take that over the new 5.2 anyday.
Yes it would be competitive to this day. Uh lets see, aluminium 5.4, Compression at 11.5:1, a better manifold that peaks around 7000, Slightly larger cams, possible direct injection. That would put it around 500sae from the factory. I would take that over the new 5.2 anyday.
And are you saying add direct injection? That sounds a bit drastic. They go good FI, real world N/A 5.4 not so much.
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Thing is coyote heads are everywhere and anything half decent for the 5.4 is very rare. I know what chody is saying but a decent NA 5.4 is as rare as a virgin on a reserve.
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Because they were put in cars that came with blowers. Not that hard to understand it's commons sense. How many n/a ls9/lsa cars do you see? Obviously it is going to be rare.
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If it was a great them it should have became the gt motor. The one I saw at the track was running mid to low 13's don't know if that's on par, but for a 500 hp car it sounds a little weak.
And are you saying add direct injection? That sounds a bit drastic. They go good FI, real world N/A 5.4 not so much.
And are you saying add direct injection? That sounds a bit drastic. They go good FI, real world N/A 5.4 not so much.
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Pull your head out our ***.
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Furd was great for having press ringers. I've said that for years. Now with your link and mine it's very much confirmed
I have yet to see a 5.4 cobro r that can get near my ls6 power wise.
Well yea man ......those press cars dyno'd much higher than people that actually bought them. Ray Charles could see that.
So you want me to drop 2 points and not use a blower......lol. What i asked was actually within reason. And yes.....you would ******* loose with both at na atmospheres. That's giving you your larger blower just at stock boost level.
Yup
So less than cam only ls6......just what i figured.
You're still a idiot
Yup
Lol....hang your hat on press ringer cars fool
5.4s are junk dude. Only way to make them go is to use something to shove air down their throat. Even you aren't outta cam only ls territory.
Sure you put a 700lb ballast in your car,a ls1 cam/heads, oh and remove two points of compression and I will drag that *** boi.
There are alot of idiots in this world hence disappointing builds.
Calculator puts my car at 144.xx so it's right on for the power/weight.
Cobra R makes the same of not more than the stock ls6. You got owned. However in Hio fashion all of the higher dyno pulls were fake and the low pulls were real lmao.
5.4>5.0
There are alot of idiots in this world hence disappointing builds.
Calculator puts my car at 144.xx so it's right on for the power/weight.
Cobra R makes the same of not more than the stock ls6. You got owned. However in Hio fashion all of the higher dyno pulls were fake and the low pulls were real lmao.
5.4>5.0
Well yea man ......those press cars dyno'd much higher than people that actually bought them. Ray Charles could see that.
So you want me to drop 2 points and not use a blower......lol. What i asked was actually within reason. And yes.....you would ******* loose with both at na atmospheres. That's giving you your larger blower just at stock boost level.
Yup
You act like there was a lot of them lmao
Yes it would be competitive to this day. Uh lets see, aluminium 5.4, Compression at 11.5:1, a better manifold that peaks around 7000, Slightly larger cams, possible direct injection. That would put it around 500sae from the factory. I would take that over the new 5.2 anyday.
Yes it would be competitive to this day. Uh lets see, aluminium 5.4, Compression at 11.5:1, a better manifold that peaks around 7000, Slightly larger cams, possible direct injection. That would put it around 500sae from the factory. I would take that over the new 5.2 anyday.
You're still a idiot
Yup
Lol....hang your hat on press ringer cars fool
5.4s are junk dude. Only way to make them go is to use something to shove air down their throat. Even you aren't outta cam only ls territory.
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No you dumb **** that was not proof. So post proof or STFU.
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Pretty good game so far. Don't give up Dug. Your muh boy blue!
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Furd was great for having press ringers. I've said that for years. Now with your link and mine it's very much confirmed
Haha yea confirmed. I found more than one that made 360+.
I have yet to see a 5.4 cobro r that can get near my ls6 power wise.
Yea because there are so many cobra rs that have the same combo as you
Not to mention the are still a point of compression behind.
Well yea man ......those press cars dyno'd much higher than people that actually bought them. Ray Charles could see that.
So you want me to drop 2 points and not use a blower......lol. What i asked was actually within reason. And yes.....you would ******* loose with both at na atmospheres. That's giving you your larger blower just at stock boost level.
So you want an apples to apples comparison or not? I could always add 2 points, put an aftermarket mani on, get some Cobra R cams, and change a few other things. However you would not like that because you would get gaped with both cars at the same weight.
Yup
So less than cam only ls6......just what i figured.
Cam only ls6 is good for 440sae on a good day derp.
You're still a idiot
Yup
Lol....hang your hat on press ringer cars fool
5.4s are junk dude. Only way to make them go is to use something to shove air down their throat. Even you aren't outta cam only ls territory.
Haha yea confirmed. I found more than one that made 360+.
I have yet to see a 5.4 cobro r that can get near my ls6 power wise.
Yea because there are so many cobra rs that have the same combo as you
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Well yea man ......those press cars dyno'd much higher than people that actually bought them. Ray Charles could see that.
So you want me to drop 2 points and not use a blower......lol. What i asked was actually within reason. And yes.....you would ******* loose with both at na atmospheres. That's giving you your larger blower just at stock boost level.
So you want an apples to apples comparison or not? I could always add 2 points, put an aftermarket mani on, get some Cobra R cams, and change a few other things. However you would not like that because you would get gaped with both cars at the same weight.
Yup
So less than cam only ls6......just what i figured.
Cam only ls6 is good for 440sae on a good day derp.
You're still a idiot
Yup
Lol....hang your hat on press ringer cars fool
5.4s are junk dude. Only way to make them go is to use something to shove air down their throat. Even you aren't outta cam only ls territory.
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They came in trucks too, you said that they were good N/A motors, they can be swapped. Or a truck can be built too. Lots of LS trucks out there N/A running decent for the weight. There has been a couple unicorns but that's it. Just because a hand full of people did crazy full builds, with good results doesn't make it a good all around N/A motor. If they responded to anything but a full build people would have done it. What do you think a fbo 5.4 f150 makes for power?