basically, what it all comes down to. is that you may have won. nice job. but by the car lengths you mentioned, no ****** way. unless my grandma was driving the ls1 and she dropped her prunes on the floorboard. nice kill, but definitely overexagerated. i know i spelt that wrong but i'm drunk so it's cool.

 

Ah see that is what I was thinking when I initially did the calculations, HOWEVER, it is the AVERAGE rate of accel. from a given distance, to another given distance. You have to remember, there are shifts involved ... so you are going to have distances where a shift did not occur, and distances where a shift occured, or even just where a dull spot in the RPM band was.


Dude, Please. You have NO F'in idea what you're talking about, please don't tell me I am the one who is screwed up. There is no questioning the calculations, they are taken from real life numbers buddy.

My WS6 dyno'd 309 to the wheels stock. Your curb weight is very similar to that of an f-bod. Your car is as aerodynamic as a brick. You really think that extra 30 hp and small weight difference will overcome your shitty aerodynamics up by 100mph??? Well, obviously, it will not.

I am assuming you do not know what Acceleration is, since you do not incorporate it into any of your formula's. Those numbers are showing you how many MPH per second each car is gaining. I highly doubt the fact that the f-bod out accelerates you by 1mph per second up top is going to change the course of a race much .... UNLESS, it's from a roll. Go do a run, and watch your speedo ... I guarantee you those numbers are relatively close to what you'll see.

I see you're not used to seeing factual information about your car ... however, this is called science .... not made up **** from BS land like you're spewing.
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heh, beat ya to it, Post #65

 

Please just go away!!

 

go back and read what you posted, then read what i posted. Take a look at your supposed "acceleration" numbers. how does my lead increase and decrease like you say it does? That is completely and PHYSICALLY impossible unless im romping on and off the throttle. I'll quote myself and wait for something that resembles a coherent answer from you.

"so at the 60' my lead is .3 seconds, then at the 330' mark it's .9 seconds, then at the 1/8 mile mark its down to .6 seconds then all the sudden i get a burst of speed at the 1000' mark and my lead is back up to 1.2 seconds, then again my lead slows down and at the end im .9 seconds ahead again."

So please explain how this happens?

LOL at the curb weight being the same.

hm lets see

camaro SS curb weight approximately 3500 lbs

my car's curb weight, oh only about 400 lbs lighter. That wont make a difference at all LOL.

Hm you dynoed 309 at the wheels? Yeah im sure you did, i think ill take an example from the crane cams website since so far all your information thus far has been totally bogus.

stock WS-6 dyno on a dynojet:

here is the dyno for the stock car before we got to playing with it:

* Stock
* Formula WS6 Performance Package
* 6-Speed Manual Transmission
* Ram Air Induction
* 600 Watt Monsoon 10 Speaker CD Stereo

HORSEPOWER 266.1
TORQUE 282.2

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=streetShark

there's the link, you can e-mail crane cams if you dont like the numbers.

even with your inflated numbers i STILL have a signifigant HP advantage, and a signifigant weight advantage. You are wrong, and theres no way around it.

LOL @ not using factual information. Hm let's see, nope i guess dyno numbers, timeslips, and curb weights arent facts. Oh well.

hm evo cd .36
and WS6 cd .34 WHOA!!! what a HUGE difference there.

wrong again my friend, what's next on your list of things to be wrong about?

 

I'm a little suprised that everyone is over looking the fact that the LS1 cars could have automatics which, as most of you know, are terrible from a roll. 40 mph isn't the best possible speed to start a race from in the A4. Trap speeds on the A4 are usually ~ 4 mph lower than the M6. Which might also explain the LS1 drivers willingness to race an AWD car from a dig. He probably thought he had a better shot.

I say give the guy props for a kill.

Good kill.

 

it wasnt an automatic.

 

While I'm not doubting your win over the LS1's I will have to inform you that the numbers that you pulled off of the Crane website are unusually low for an LS1 car. Those numbers are more in line for a LT1. They posted the low numbers to dramatize the gains that their product will give you so you will be more inclined to buy from them.

 

i see

well even with 309 whp i still have a pretty signifigant HP advantage, and weight advantage. Not to mention my peak power is at 7200 rpm whereas the LS1 starts to drop off after 6200 or so.

 

Evo guy, your math is good. That is what I would do to aproximate the distance.

Phantom, I thought the same thing for the uneveness for the accels. Like if you were at the top end of a power band and you power shifted, then went through the timmer and the next interval was just that gear from the botom of the power band. Even gear spacing could make a difference.

I say the EVO won, by how much we have to take his word on it because none of us were there and because of all of the different variables that can happen on the street any thing is possible.
340 hp vs 300 the 340 will out accel the 300. Simple fact.

I wish I could hook and get a 1.6 and then I could beat Evos.
I doubt that i ever will on the street so I guess it is big block blower time.

Props where props are deserved. I hope we are done now.

 

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You are an idiot. These are AVERAGE ACCELERATION NUMBERS... they say NOTHING about who is ahead. What they say is that between 1 distance, and another, the car was accelerating x mph/sec.
For example...
It took the LS1 ~2 seconds to get from 0-60ft .... at the 60ft mark, he was going approximately 26mph. Average acceleration = change in velocity divided by the change in time. Therefore, from 0-60ft, the LS1's average acceleration is ~13mph per second. You have to understand, these numbers are COMPOUNDED on top of what you have done in the past. Say you use the 1/8 mile - 1000 ft estimate you were talking about. That is NOT saying the LS1 is going faster, it is saying it is ACCELERATING FASTER. You still have the lead, and you are still accelerating. The LS1 was accelerating at 5.5 mph/second, and you were at 5.3 mph/second .... which is an imperceptible difference.

If you want to be a big shot, go out ... put your car at around 90mph, and run it to 120mph. Watch the speedo go up ... I guarantee you will see it going up at approximately 5-6 mph per second, as I posted.


Evo curb weight = 3,263.
Z28 curb weight = 3,479.

Yup, 216 lbs....

301rwhp / 315 rwtq Bone Stock

A bunch of numbers

http://www.ls1.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-245779.html

"Mine pulled 305 hp and 330 ft. lbs. torque with about 4,000 miles on the clock."

"Only mod I had on mine was the SLP lid, and K&N airfilter. I dyno'd 323.1 rwhp and 342.4 ft/lbs car had about 4000 miles on it."

Graph


This was just the first page of a yahoo search .... so, I guess a lot of people 'inflate' numbers? I have never seen anything as low as the crane graph ... and it was either that it was an LT1 (likely), or an A4 LS1 on a real bad day. Keep in mind, crane is attempting to sell a performance product; they obviously want to make the starting point look as bad as they possibly can.

A .02cd difference is actually a decent difference. The WS6 you quoted obviously has the worst CD of all the f-bods, due to the speedbrake hood and lights, and a corvette is around .30 or so ...

however, even at that, your car at a .36cd, is the SAME as a F-150 truck.

Not exactly something I would brag about.
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Okay, well I guess I will post the results, since it doesn’t seem like you are trying to do them, even after I gave you half the info needed.

- End of third is before the 1/8 mile, so between 85-90 mph. We’ll use 90 to give you the benefit of the doubt.
- Taken from a friend who has driven an Evo, the end of fourth is right around 120mph.

Therefore, we have ….

- Race 1 was from 40mph – 120mph
- Race 2 was from a Dig – 90mph
- Race 3 with the WS6 was also from a Dig – 90mph
- Car length is 16 feet.


Race 1:

Both the Evo and LS1 start at 40mph. The Evo ends the race going ~120mph, and travels approximately 1185 ft in the 9.6 seconds the race takes. Given the data, when the Evo ends the race, 9.6 seconds after it started, the LS1 would have traveled 1101 feet, and would be traveling 105mph.

The Evo’s 1185 ft minus the LS1’s 1101 ft, divided by 16 ft (car lengths) = 5.25 lengths. Now, don’t forget we need to subtract your cars length, since we are talking about the distance between your rear bumper, and the front bumper of the LS1. Now we are down to 4.25 Lengths. Btw, I would also have to say that driver means nothing in this race, as either driver will just mash on the gas and go.

Race 1, 40mph – 120mph
Claimed = 8 lengths
Possible = 4.25 lengths


Races 2 and 3:

Evo and LS1 start at a dead stop, and race to the Evo’s top of third, around 90mph.

The Evo will reach 90mph 7.6 seconds after the start of the race. (you can check this to be accurate on the fact that you do the 1/8 in 7.7 seconds at 91mph). At this point, it will have traveled approximately 640 ft. In that same 7.6 seconds, the LS1 would have traveled 549 feet, and would be going ~77mph. Again, subtract 549 ft from 640 ft, divide by 16 ft, subtract your cars length, and you get … 4.68 car lengths. Btw, if you feel you want to use an Evo car length, instead of an LS1 car length as I am doing, you could win by 5.13 car lengths, instead of 4.68.

Race 2-3, 0mph – 90mph
Claimed = 10 lengths
Possible = 4.68 lengths


Full Quarter Mile Check:

And, just to check of the math, I did the calculations of you two running a full Quarter Mile…

You finish the Quarter (1320 ft) at 117mph, in 12.1 seconds. In that same 12.1 seconds, the LS1 would have traveled 1,150 ft, and would be going 102 mph…. which puts you at exactly 9.6 car lengths ahead, which is dead accurate.

Full Quarter-Mile Check = 9.6 lengths

Btw, if you were to graph the 2 cars running the quarter, you would find the Evo gains a little over full second lead by the 520 ft mark, around which point the Evo stops pulling and holds the LS1 dead even until the LS1 starts to reel it in around the 1000 ft mark (again, so slightly it really isn’t’ even noticeable).

Please, tell me how wrong I am now.
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Someone lock this shitee thread...god damn mongorians

-southpark

 

Damn Mike that was impressive!

 

Ok, it is time I think that I spoke up here. I know Dylan. He isn't lying about the races. Take your math formulas and shove them up your ***, because that is about all they are good for. As an engineer, I can tell you that formulas, equations, calculations, are only good to get an estimate. And many times they are WRONG because the Earth is an unstable place, and other, unforseen factors affect things.

The races from a dig. No doubt Dylan did what he said, especially from a dig. AWD versus some kid in an LS1, come on. Not to mention, how do you know how well the guys could actually drive? Plus tons of other factors that I am not gonna get into.

I am posting to say, he did it, he isn't lying. Those that think you are smarter than reality, shove it up your ***.


Lastly, I will tell you again Dylan. . .

Your winning streak over LS1's is about to come to an end!!!

 

Great, another person that needs to learn how to read.

As I said at least 3 times now, I am not debating whether or not he won, and I am not doubting that he beat the LS1 by that many lengths. I was however, saying his original estimation formula's were incorrect, and that he should NOT beat a well driven LS1 by that amount, under those circumstances.

All my math was showing, was that a well driven LS1 vs. a well driven EVO, would result in approximately that amount of car lengths difference between the two. I used REAL LIFE NUMBERS for this calculation, so your "the world is a crazy place" theory, is ****. The 13.1 quarter-mile that I used for the LS1 is above average, but by no means a Best for an LS1. I did, however, use his BEST quarter-mile time (a number that would NOT be duplicated by him on the street). For the information of his that I did not know (330 ft, 1000 ft), I took off a timeslip of an Evo that ran a 11.9, with a similar 60ft and 1/8 mile time/mph ... every calculation was rounded into his favor.

Any conditions that existed at the time, would be the same for both cars and would effect each the same. Wind, rain, road surface ... it would all be nearly identical. You cannot tell me that a stock LS1 or an AWD Evo would have any sort of issue with traction, from a 40mph roll.

P.S. I don't know of many companies that would hire an "engineer" that doesn't believe in math or formula's ... "yeah, just put the beam there, that looks level." Come on now.

 

first of all, this is NOT IN RELATION TO THE ABOVE POST, and im not sure what formula is correct or incorrect. why cant everyone just deal with the fact that the cars got beat by an evo. These cars are fast from the factory, can pull 1.7x to 1.8x 60 ft times, STOCK, they are awd, so its not hard to do, they can get sideways, and break all 4 tires loose, and wouldnt doubt from a role that they could take stock ls1's. 13.x seconds isnt that fast in the quarter. I personally own an 01 TA WS6-M6 and arent all that impressed with it stock. I also own a 95 Eagle Talon TSi AWD (furthest from rice any import could possibly get) and that was my car before I bought my TA. I love f-bodys to death, but my talon has a Big T28 BB turbo, 550cc injectors, full 3.125 turbo back exhaust, no cat, and some MILD tuning, and it put down a 12.13 quarter,I easily smoked ls1's on the street, from a dig and from a role. I am not ******* on anyone, because that isnt what this site is for, I am just stating that all of his arguments, and his "story" is very believable, and could easilly be true. Good kills, and im sure a modded ls1 could hang with or beat the evo from a roll. Anyways, good kills, and Im not trying to flame on anyone, just stating that it is very possible.

 

Phantom owned this post. It was what I was trying to say but in mega detail. No way that anything pulls 10 cars on someone in the 1/8th mile. There would have to be a radical difference in cars or major driver error or breakage.

By the way the F-bodies weights were listed with an average person 150 or 175 pounds added to the weight along with the 1/4 tank of gas. I don't believe Mits does this so the Evo is just barely under the scales of the F-body.

As for hp, average dynos for stock LS1's yield 305 to 310 hp and 315 to 325 tq at the wheels. Unless the dude had a ******* heart attack or forgot where the acellerator was you did NOT pull 10 cars on him in the 1/8th mile. Anyone who believes that is possible without something breaking or the driver completely spazzing out or dying is a moron. I mean has anyone ever seen a race before. 10 cars in the 1/8th is a freaking massicure.

The guy exagerated. Plain and simple.

 

All math aside, this guy seems far from rice, and I dont know how you people can bash on a low 12 second anything. If I see a shitbox integra with 18 ugly *** colors of paint on it run a 12.08 at the track, that's ******* sweet. Do I think it's a hot car? By all means god no. But as a hardcore V8 enthusiast, I do respect fast cars period. I don't care what it is, and I don't see how you guys could not... it doesn't make sense to bash on a guys car because of what type he picked... it's still damn quick.

If anyone is willing to come down to San Diego to race, I'll bet some cash on this Mystichrome Evo against A N Y T H I N G Street driven. It was literally the fastest car I've seen on the street. Supposedly he wasn't spraying, but he walked on a sprayed cam viper in the 1/8th. I dont know the guy, I just saw him racing. Had a very ricey look to it, with black lights and the whole nine yards, but my god... this thing was ridiculous. I think it would be competition for Trix's Evo... easily.

 

Wait, I'm lost. What does this post have to do with anything???

Nobody is bashing on his car?? I personally think Evo's are cool cars. I do not, however, think a 12 second quarter is fast, nor do I think a stock LS1 is fast. Again ... I believe the kill, but it was exaggerated, plain and simple.

Let me go over this one more time....

10 car lengths is 160 freakin feet. That is HALF A FOOTBALL FIELD ... and the race was only 0-90mph, which took the Evo ~640 feet !!!

So you really believe, that in 640 feet of road, the 12 second evo was beating the 13 second LS1 by 160 feet??? Come on now.
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