Also, how many LS1's run a 13.0 1/4 mile in bone stock form and on shitty street tires? This Evo can consistently run real low 12's and the truth of the matter is that the LS1 was most likely a mid 13 second car (on the street with those street tires)

It's not like the LS1 is gonna dump his clutch at 4000 rpms on the street an launch so hard without spinning to get a 12.8-12.9 et

1) I love the LS1
2) I hate ricers
3) I respect any import or domestic who deserves it and this Evo guy was not being a ***** in any way.

4) Posting a kill on a website that starts with...www.ls1XXXXX is not a good idea because you will get eaten alive most of the time. Try www.need2speed.com as members there are friendly no matter what you drive as long as it's not severely riced out

 

So if you top out 3rd before the 1/8th that actually helps my argument. You did not pull 10 cars in the 1/8th. This reminds me too much of the guy racing the Cobra, where the Cobra lets off and The Evo driver blows on by him, originally only having a nose on him. Video was shown to make it look like the Evo walked the Cobra. Is this common-place for Evo owners? Exageration and lies, or giving you the benefit of the doubt, ommiting information. It's quite possible the guy could have had a horrible launch and let off. 10 cars should tell you that. That's match, physics, and just plain racing. It's obvious.

 

it's also possible that i raced farther than the top of third. I didnt post the race until the day after and its not exactly easy to remember all the very specific details, but one detail that does stick out is that he was very very far back when i let off. I wont deny that he possibly let off, but he never said anything about letting off after the race, and we had a lengthy conversation in the parking lot.

 

We're talking about 660 feet. The 1/8th mile. There are only 44 average car lengths in that ammount of space. Do you realize how far 10 car lengths is? Not to mention he said up to the end of 3rd and tops out in 3rd before the 1/8th mile.

AWD is nice on the street but will not get you the exact time as a prepped track. That's just plain stupid.

 

Well you said top of 3rd and 10 cars. In a true race that didn't add up. If it went farther and you had a better trap and he went up in smoke I can see it. My issue is that it's quite obvious when racing someone that something happened if they are that far back. 10 cars is alot in that short ammount of space and time.

 

well ive been around here for awhile, and i chime in from time to time about this and that. Most of the time my posts arent replied to with hostility etc...

If an ls1 guy posts on an evo forum (and it's happened) and says he buslenghted an EVO i have absolutely no doubt that it's entirely possible. Ive seen some TERRIBLE evo drivers out there. But to assume that every ls1 driver is a great driver and is always going to launch well on the street with street tires is silly if you ask me.

 

well take a look at my other thread i made a bit ago, maybe that would be more to your liking. I know the distance is exact cause the guy that i raced told me the distance. he's a friend.

 

As much as I'm for the LS1, you have to give credit where it's due. Spinning on the street can cause you to get MANY car lengths put on you. After you put 6 or 7 cars on somewhere how can you really judge if it was really 9? You're going so fast and have to pay attention to your surroundings that you estimate. Of course not one single person in their right mind is going to under estimate and say "oh I beat him by around 4 cars" when in fact it looked like 6. It's just the way it is my friend.

 

My point is it's OBVIOUS that something went wrong if he won by anywere near 10 car lengths. 10 car lengths is like 150 feet, more than a couple buslengths. I would question just about anyone saying this unless it was someone on a bike or Harlen racing a freaking Geo or something.

 

You guys need to give the EVO guy a break.
He won, good job by the EVO. He made it fast.
I think measuring by car lengths is called an estmate. I don't think any one has taken an overhead photo of the finish and actualy measured it.
10 car lengths plus/minus 2 or 3. good enough. I think he was still ahead any ways.
I also think his math is fine. If you have a formula for figuring out ET by the distance won on the street and no other inputs, Make a program and sell it. IT will be worth millions.

 

If your gonna flame someone why dont you flame the guy in the SS that lost to a Evo by 10 cars.

 

Ouch! Must've been a sick assed Evo.

 

You're right. Physics has nothing to do with velocity/speed calculations .... I should not have said a word, since your calculations were obviously so accurate.


And I am narrow-minded. Let's, for a second, take exactly what you just said and flip it around. While I am assuming that every LS1 is going to run a 13 second quarter ... you are busy assuming that you're running that 12.0x best of yours EVERYTIME you race. Let me be the first to remind you, that is your BEST TIME, ON A TRACK ... you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of doing.

P.S. We only know what is told to us in your story. We can't just Guess that the LS1 let off, or that he was spinning bad, or that he hit a tree in the middle of the race .... it is ON THE INTERNET ... none of us were there. We go by what you tell us.
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Let me remind everyone posting in the last page, the 10 car lengths we're talking about is from a 40mph to ~110 mph. I will also remind you that an evo's strong point is a dig ... and one of the main reasons it can pull a 12.0x quarter is due to it's launch ...... we all know the LS1's strong point would be right around that 40mph roll area. Lastly, I would like to mention that it doesn't take an expert driver to go from a 40mph roll. Unless someone misses a gear, it is about as non-driver orientated as a street race could possibly be (2 shifts, very low possibly for spinning tires on a stock car).
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As for your "math" skills. I agree, while you cannot possibly be dead on, because as you said the acceleration of the 2 cars is relatively unknown, you CAN use key points in their travel to get a good idea. There are very few equations where the exact data is known at every point .... which is the reason why we have them in the first place.


0-60 = mph & time
0-100 = mph & time
1/8 mile & trap = mph & time
1/4 mile & trap = mph & time
etc. etc. etc.

There is plenty of info to do this calculation .... don't insult myself or others simply because you cannot figure it out. I have done them, and I will stick by my original statement ... 10 car lengths (of a 16ft car, NOT a 12ft car) between a 12 second car and a 13 second car, in a race from 40-110ish mph, is just not practical, unless severe conditions intervened. I'm sure that since this guy is a friend of yours, you could simply ask him if he spun through the gears, accidentally had the ebrake engaged, or maybe just rear-ended a tractor trailer in the middle of the race??

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Wow that sure was a thorough equation there, thanks for proving me totally wrong.

no **** physics has something to do with velocity/speed equations. Im an optics major with a physics base. the calculations i showed you were a very rough estimate of what was to be expected. However its infinitely more accurate than your reply. Since you've done the equation, why dont you just go back to your notes and type it up here for everyone to see. Im sure it cant be that hard since you seem to be implying that it's such a simple mathematical concept. im sure that you can explain it in laymans terms for all us ignorants.

For a "physics major" you sure dont read very well. I'll quote myself.

So i dont see where you get your entire last reply. Maybe you skipped reading comprehension?

 

5 car lengths on an SS from a 40 start....with you giving him the jump



Walk on ricer......walk on....


keep on walking

 

Well seeing as how i know my car better than you ever will, i have about ten thousand percent more knowledge of what my car feels like when im making a 12.0 or 12.1 pass than you do. so I'll say once again (reading comprehension) On that race i know i had a good launch and i shifted well so i know it was very close to one of my better races. I know when i have a bad race and the only time i have a bad race is when i miss a shift, which did not happen this time.

also keep in mind it's easier to replicate track times with an AWD car than it is for a RWD car or FWD car on street tires. I figured since you are the god of all car knowledge you'd know that though.

 

aw did this ricer smoke one of your precious LS1 cars?

your little *** must be hurting right now. Have anything more intelligent to say other than "ricer"?

 

Your exaggerated post speaks for itself.

 

yeah i guess im lying.

i mean theres no way in hell it could ever happen. no matter what.

you're completely right. I just made all this up cause its so easy and fun frustrating morons like yourself.