the "cam only" term is a clearly underestood and commonly used phrase, and it doesn't just apply to LS1's. It also applies to older 5.0's too. Just the same as when you say a H/C car. Once you reveal that you know and assume there's all the bolt-on's to go with it, unless otherwise specified. There is no game playing in that. Again, commonly understood stuff you are talking about.

On the other hand if there is a thread arguing a "bolt-on" car (clearly understood to ne internally untouched) can't run a particular 1/4 mile time, and you come in and make a post citing a car as an example to dissprove the argument, and than it turns out the car is internally modified...than THAT is being deceptive and going against the whole point of the original argument.

From my experiences you mach guys are the kings of deception & bragging. Good for street racing for $$ out on the street, but not all that respectable on a forum when you are trying to have honest diuscussions about car capabilities.

 

Dan03mach's car runs low 11's with spray and a "stock motor" and he proved it. This thread needs to DIE.

 

Uhh, once again, no one questioned it running those times with N20!! If you aren't going to comprehend or follow the thread to know whats going on, than please don't post in it.

 

The only thing I can think of is that I ran low 11's with my car.. I guess that pissed him off some how.. How is it going.. When ever you want to run its cool with me..

 

Oh PLEEEEZE gimme a break.


Deception? Show me where I've made any attempt to deceive anyone about anything. I've given more info about my car (and Jeff's) than you'll get from 90% of the folks who post on this board.
Just because I throw-out an example that isn't 100% applicable to this thread's original title/intent, doesn't mean I'm trying to be deceptive.
Inappropriate and/or a little off-topic? Maybe... Deceptive - NOPE.
As far as my car goes, at the track I'll gladly tell anyone who asks 100% of what my car has/doesn't have in it. But I'll be damned if I'm going to type it all out 12 times a day for every Tom, Dick & Harry who asks in a message forum.

Bragging? Not hardly. My car (and other Mach's) run XX.XX ET, which is faster than a lot of cars but slower than a lot of cars too.
I know exactly where I am on the "Go-Fast" food chain.

As far as street-racing - or street-hustling as you're obviously implying - goes,
I do 100% of my racing at the track and don't street race AT ALL.

Lastly, you're in no position to judge whether I'm "Respectable" or not...

... simply owning/driving a Z06 doesn't make your **** stink any less nor make you anymore prone to being right in case you're wondering...

 

I am not going to sit here and go back and forth with you all night on this. I think I've spent enough time bickering with you Anus. The only thing I will comment on is your Z06 comment, which is way off base. That has absolutely nothing to do with any of this or the opinions I've stated here. Notice, I don't even include my signature's in these posts, including my original one, just for that reason. Anyhow, I've said what I've needed to say and made the points I wanted to make and have no desire to spend the rest of my night bickering with you.

 

That's a shame...

... because your repeated posts referring to me as "Anus" were continually confirming how "Respectable" of a conversation you can personally manage...

 

"Anus"? That is pretty funny. Dan, Gray, or someone lock this thread up now before it starts hurting my head.

 

That's exactly what I'd expect someone with a weak arguement to say. .IBTL

 

What point was that?? That you misunderstood what a guy posted?? Thanks for bring that to our attention.

 

OUCH!

Let's not use the Z06's name in vain please.

 

You're his boyfriend???

 

Oh, sorry Angus, I thought "Anus" was your nickname as this is how I've heard several other's refer to you(Can't imagine why).

Cam99, The argument wasn't weak, and Angus helped prove the point. Of course you won't think so, as you are a new inductee into their little circle jerk gang here on LS1tech. Happy to have you onboard

oohsoobad2, Oh look, a new member with a corny name. Not too concerned with what you have to say.

Off to bed. Night all.

 

Well Dan did use the term bone stock. And that was to do low 11's.

What's you answer now?

 

No complaining here...factory stock is one of my favorite racing classes, but I'm also realistic and know that those of us not running in the class aren't going to match the times. I never said you compared his car to an average car either. It sounded like some people were shocked by the times it was running, so I gave some reasoning as to why those cars go fast.

It's like saying a 5.0 with stock h/c/i can go 11.7 or a cammed ls1 can run 10.2....yeah, it can be done, but I wouldn't use those times as benchmark for how fast a car is or can be. I think it's more than testing some cams. Ask the factory stock guys how much money they have in there "stock" bottom end or their fully prepped $3000 "stock" heads.

 

Ignorance my friend, is your biggest vice. But sadly it proves little.

First off, HEADERS do physically alter how the motor works. It's called exhaust scavenging. If they had NO affect why bother changing them?

If you want more info there is a really good sticky in the external engine forum. It will explain all this in detail.

In simple terms, with a good set of headers they will draw more air into the combustion chamber on the down stroke. In fact on some race engines it can account for up to 80% of the air intake velocity into the chamber. Which I would say is QUITE significant.

You also seem very confused with OCTANE and NOS. They are totally different.

If you add a higher OCTANE fuel to many cars you will see ZERO difference. This is because it reduces the combustubility, and unless the car is tuned to take advantage of it there will be little or no gain. Some modern EFI cars can adapt to higher octane ratings, this I have already mentioned.

In addition OCTANE is part of the fuel and is EXPECTED and REQUIRED for a STOCK engine to OPERATE. If you use ANY higher octane fuel designed for road use then this would come under the STOCK performance envelope of the car/engine. If you run a race grade fuel then, yes you are altering the fueling of the engine. It may not be a modification physically to the engine itself but it would be a variance from stock, so should be considered a MODIFICATION. Hence most race series have LIMITS on which grade fuel can be used.

NOS is not part of the fuel and is NOT EXPECTED or REQUIRED on a STOCK engine. It is an addition to the fuel which generates a larger explosion, and thus more power. If it has no physical effect to the engine then the engine would a) not produce anymore power. And b) would not be under more strain.

If you need an alternative way of thinking about it, think of drinks. Water and beer are both liquids and perfectly safe to consume. However one contains something extra (just as NOS is extra to petrol). In this case it is alcohol. It gives more 'kick' and WILL have a phsyical effect on you.

Also what is an EXHAUST? You claim it is not part of the engine. So what is it a part of?

But if it isn't part of the engine then neither are the cylinder heads as they too bolt on. And on their own they don't actually do anything except flow gasses, just like an exhaust does.

Think about it, you are claiming that anything external is NOT a modification to the engine. And you are happily stating that NOS should fall into this category.

That means I could have a LS1, with:
LT's
Cat back
FAST 90/90
Procharger D1 @ 10psi
200 shot of NOS
And a tune.

And I could still claim a totally stock motor?? Even though it should be pushing well over 600rwhp. So would you like to RACE your MODIFIED engined Mustang against this STOCK motored LS1. Should be an easy win for you right?

If you have a STOCK motor then it will be producing EXACTLY the same bhp and torque as it did the day it left the factory. ANY other interpritation is WRONG and INACCURATE.

 

Why are you still on this subject??? A stock motor is just what it is an untouched motor that never has been taken out to have new or upgraded internials, head, cams, etc, put in it.. But you can also have a stock motor with bolt ons like almost every single person here has.. The way your talking is if anyone changes anything like adding a K&N air filter then they don't have a stock motor anymore because it gives them more hp then the factory air filter which is bull ****, because the motor is in the same condition as it was when it left the factory.. So quit your bull **** because no one here is buying it.. You can try to sell that story to some people who don't know any better..

 

I thought you were done with this thread & weren't going to reply anymore???


I just read-my post(s) + the entire thread and remembered my original intent/meaning:

Jeff Schmell ran an 11.37 @ 118 on drag radials at a 3400 lb race weight.
He did so without long-tubes (which make more rwhp/rwtq than the mid-lengths he's required to run), intake manifold porting (makes more power too) or slicks (slicks can drop ET significantly but he's required to run DR's).
His 3400 lb race weight is roughly 400 lbs more than a typical track-oriented street/strip car weighs.

Trade the mid-lengths for long-tubes, port the intake manifold, bolt-on slicks and drop 400 lbs from the car and it's entirely possible that same car can still hit the same/similar ET with a stock long-block and the same driver/track conditions.

I readily admit that no one has done that yet, so flame-away....

 

whatever dude

 

Is that what I said? No it isn't. I never said I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore. I basically said I had enough of you for one night, meaning I am walking away for the time. At that point I walked away from my computer cracked open a beer and watched TV for a few hours (Lost & Invasion to be exact ). Than before I went to bed I checked my email & saw that you were were still at it and a couple of other morons had some other genius comments for me so like most anyone else would do, I responded before going to bed. If you & a couple of your butt buddies were willing to drop it than I was too and I made the attempt at doing that, but apparently you couldn't leave it alone & forced the cycle of bickering to continue.