[QUOTE=Angus66]Jeff runs in the "Factory Stock" class in NMRA.


What cams does he run? I saw a post that said they weren't mach1 cams, but were factory Ford cams. What car are they from?

Also, I've always thought a "stock" motor was just that, a stock motor. When you say "stock motor" that doesn't include the exhaust, gears, etc. Just the motor.............like it says.

 

I ran a 64.3 second quarter mile once & trapped 18.3 MPH in Converse basketball shoes. If I'da had some Nike track shoe's am sure I could of trapped @ least 19 MPH.

Makes about as much sense as discussing the present topic doesn't it.

 

Oh at least, mabey 20 if the conditions were good..

 

His motor is stock, okay? End of story, headers DO NOT PHYSICALLY ALTER THE MOTOR. Nor does N20 (hopefully ) THe point is, he slapped some N20 on a stock motor. Lets look at it this way, I sure as hell know you would shoot someone down who came here saying they had major engine mods with only a 125 shot. They oculd say "125 hp is MAJOR" And i know THAT would get shot down b/c its not an engine mod. The engine is still stock. And just because the higher octane booster has a NEGATIVE effect on combustability...it still has an effect, its an engine mod if N20 is (if you dont like the octane booster, take Sunoco 104 for example then). I can call race gas a mod. Hell, sometimes a cutout hurts low end performance...still an exhaust mod, so why cant 104 oct. be an engine mod if N20 is?

 

jesus guys...

 

factory stock cars can't be compared to average cars of the same make. Look at the 5.0 cars running 11.7....yeah those are factory stock motors(making 100hp more than any of us can get!) I'd like to see a factory stock class for ls1's....I bet they would go mid 10's with stock motors.

 

u guys bitch to much and if the guys want to see proof dan car is fast jsut ask him man he dosent lie ive seen dan and i now him so just ask him

 

I love reading all of this stuff.. It's just funny as hell..

 

Are you reading this thread on a "stock" computer, or have you secretely modified it with an aftermarket mouse pad. Honest to God 300 bhp english guy get a grip. Once someone changes their oil I guess the motor is no longer stock. You need help.

 

Oh no, they've recruited another one.

 

I believe that they are allowed to run any factory cams produced by Ford.
There aren't but (3) available as far as I know - '96-'98 Cobra, '99-'01 Cobra, '03-'04 Cobra/Mach 1.

I think Jeff uses the '01 Cobra intake cams & the '03 Mach 1/Cobra exhaust cams (which are the exact same cams as the '99-'01 Cobra exhaust cams).

 

Why complain?

If someone is willing to take the time to hand-test 100 stock camshafts to find the one that's the straightest, lightest & has the most lift/duration then I say

For the record - I never compared Jeff's car to the "Average" Mach 1 roaming the streets.
I simply said that running XX.XX ET was possible/doable in a Mach 1 without a power-adder, big increase in displacement/compression, or a 2500 lb race weight.

And guess what? It IS possible because it HAS been done.

I remember back over a year ago when I posted Jeff's 11.83 @ 115.54 mph Video.
Tons of folks replied that his car was a "Factory Freak", had "Hidden Mods", "He has internal engine work done that he's not admitting to" or "He only runs that fast because he's a Pro-Driver - You'll never see another Mach 1 run that ET/MPH with those few mods".

Funny how my Mach 1 can run almost an identical ET/MPH with similar (but not exactly the same) mods done to it.
All without internal engine mods, no "Pro-Driver" behind the wheel, or "Factory Freak" car....

 

And here we go again: Another perfect example of a Mach1 guy bragging about track times and than the car explained in a clearly deceptive fashion. Allow me to explain. First read his quote:

Hmm, now a recent post of his reveals this:

Now anyone who has read this thread and than read his first quoted post above will assume this guy Jeff has a totally stock motor. First off b/c of his description of the motor and secondly and most importantly b/c he than says "Sounds like "Low-11's" is possible to me with the right driver & mods.... " Which is directly addressing my argument argument that I made in this thread was no mach1 with JUST full exhaust, CAI, suspension work, mild lightening & DR's will go low 11's. If thats ALL it has, than that means the motor is STOCK.

However in his later post we learn that Jeff's motor is in fact NOT STOCK. And I don't want to here oh well they are still Ford parts blah blah. The fact is he tore into the motor and changed out the stock parts for different parts. He obviously wouldn't have done this if it didn't make a difference. Also, if the motor was tore into, I wouldnt be at all surprised if the heads were in fact a little "touched up"

And I don't care even if Anus's description of the car in the first post is technically correct, b/c A.) It's clearly deceptive and B.) He made it a point to address my argument about the "low 11's" which would only be valid if the guy in fact had a stock motor which he does NOT.



So thanks Anus, for helping prove my point about you guys

 

That's all you needed to say.

I never said - nor implied - that Jeff's motor was stock.

Wink all you like Skippy - F/S racers regularly have their engines torn-down at the track right after they race - ESPECIALLY guys like Jeff who run 11.4X's in competition. The engines are inspected for ANY sign of head porting or polishing & they check displacement on the spot.

Oh BTW - the inspectors make the RACER tear-down & reassemble the engine while they watch.

Funny how I've never heard of Jeff breaking - or even bending - the rules in F/S...

 

newsflash dumbass, the whole argument here was that a bolt-on mach1 won't go low 11's, so when you come in here and throw out jeff's car as an example to say no it is possible to go low 11's.... what does that tell us??

Surely you can at LEAST figure this one out...

And no, you never said it was stock( ...thats part of...you guys conveniently don't say certain things, lol), but you most certainly implied it.

 

It's called "Pouring salt in the wound" slick...

... and I find it highly amusing...

 

Thats the best you can come up with?? lol. Yeah you poured salt in your own wound, proving my point.

 

I have to assume you are talking to me. KB99WS6, please indulge this lowly member of the "Mach1 posse" while I interrupt your BS thread and respond to this post. My quarter mile time of 13.19 was "dealer lot stock" pal. The only non-stock component in the car was the tank full of Sunoco Ultra 94 octane. So you can stop posting your silly little inuendo laced posts that make you look even more pathetic than you already are.

 

Kinda like the entire F-Body community throws-around the (conveniently-deceptive) term "Cam-Only" car?

"Cam-Only"...

... but I left-out the Long-Tube Headers
...Oh, and the full-exhaust
...there's also that LS6 intake
...I forgot to mention the 4.10 gears
...and lid
...and 9" rear
...and drag suspension
......and electric water-pump

Kinda like that, huh?

F-Body/LSX owners certainly aren't shy about using the "It's not what I mention, but what I DON'T that you should be concerned-with" mentality...

... funny how they seem to hate when someone uses the same tactic on them...

 

What in the world did you do to **** off KB99Ws6 so much?

It's been awhile, how you been man?

Let's say by Feb 2006, I hope to have my little hawk ready to run you. Hopefully nothing catastorphic happens that takes what little $$$$ I've saved so far. Don't think I'll have the tune port NOS by then, but hopefully won't need it.