I think you'd have a hard time proving that if you where making a warranty claim.

The engine is NOT stock. An exhaust effects the breathing of a car, what difference does a port & polish on the heads or cam change do? It alters the internal breathing. The exhaust system and intake system are as much a part of the engine as any other component.

As I said, how can it be a stock engine if it produces 400+bhp. That is not STOCK, that is MODIFIED. And it has nothing to do with the CAR being modified as opposed to the engine. As the engine would still produce that power whether it's sitting in the engine bay or on an engine dyno. Then engine produces the power, no other component is directly responsible.

no you can't because firstly octane booster don't actually work. But apart from that they are not increasing the combustability, in fact they are reducing it.

Many modern engines will perform better on higher octane fuel, but that is because the ECU detects it and alters the engines performance accordingly. This is a perfectly NORMAL and STOCK function.

Adding N2O is not a NORMAL or STOCK function.

Yes I do, but 1. It's bollox and 2. They are usually liars or mistaken.

Remember just because lots of people say or do something, it doesn't mean it's CORRECT.

 

an untouched internal motor is a STOCK MOTOR!!!!! WTF is this crap your spilling??? Slapping N20 on a car is just a Bolt on, no internal work is needed so i would consider that STOCK w/N20, me on the other hand I am Cam & N20, so i have touched the internals but Dan has not so in my Book he is stock motor. And Dans low 12 runs where done with steep gears and some hella good driving, so all u haters out there are just pissed cause U cant drive like Dan can

 

NEWS FLASH:

Bolt ons are also MODIFICATIONS.

 

I run 11.8's in my Mach @ 115+ mph - completely stock long-block BTW.

This is on slicks/skinnies with weight reduction & bolt-ons, launching at well-over 4500 rpm's. I cut WAY BETTER than 1.6 60' times too - all-motor.

With a 100-shot I'd likely be in the high 10's...

FWIW - Jeff Schmell just ran an 11.37 @ 118 on DRAG RADIALS with a pretty heavy '03 Mach 1.
IIRC, his Mach weighs 3400 lbs and he has:


NO ported heads
NO aftermarket cams
No ported intake
NO power-adder

Sounds like "Low-11's" is possible to me with the right driver & mods....

 

Congrats on the times.

And to everyone else see - LONG BLOCK

A long block does not include exhaust and intake systems so this is a totally valid point.

A "bone stock motor" on the other hand.... would mean the entire motor and ALL of it's ancillairy devices.

 

We'd have to see an exact list of his actual mods to make a judgement. Simply posting 4 things he doesn't have doesn't exactly tell us the whole story.

And I thought I remember hearing that guy had ported heads & cams

 

I really don't get what all the fuss is about. Dr. Ron on the Z06Vette just went 11.20's @ 122 in a bolt-on Z06 with 375rwhp. Dan makes 430/5?? at the wheels and is built for drags (gears/suspension) and people don't want to believe him. Dan's times seem par for the course with the power the car is making.

 

you missed out on a lot of posts, the BS call was him doing it NA, it was later revealed it was with a 125 shot, which no one questions.

 

Either way, whoever's car runs what, we all still have to get up for work, our own cars still run the same, and who ever does or doesnt BS, they know what their car can really do. I think BS-ing would be pointless, and we arent in grade school anymore. I think the majority of people on here would tell the truth. Either way, again you know what youre own car can really do, and any BS-ers will be uncovered at some point, so RELAX, do a burnout for your girl, and listen to some Dave Matthews Band.

 

I think you are taking it too granular(sp?). I think everyone here except you are taking the term "stock motor" to be the longblock. It's obivous that running way faster than what it does off the showroom floor means there is some mods to it. When you see longblocks for sale typically they don't include mainfolds. So a stock motor to me is the longblock. a bolt-on car still retains the stock motor (aka longblock) IMO.

<----- Stock longblock motor representin. -Mark

 

Ok...i Just Want To Know One Thing....did His Car Run The 13.19 Completly Show Room Stock?

Or Was The Car Modded With Exhaust And What Not?

Meaning Yes Internally The Engine Was Stock But The Car Was Far From Stock...

Cas If He Did Have Mods That A Bs Claim...if No Mods Were Done Then I Still Give Him Props For Representing The American Muscle.

 

And what does your car weigh? It's like instead of just telling us whats actually all done to the car, you guys always have to present in a sort of secretive or deceptive way. If we saw a full clear list of all the mods, or else knew the power and weight, than I don't think any of your times would be surprising. It just seems you guys all came here in your little mach possie to try and convince everyone the mach is some kinda supercar.

 

Just ask Dan what he ran when he was straight from the showroom, he will gladley tell ya im sure. When someone tells me they are stock i assume they have boltons unless they use the term "Bone Stock" and of course they have to throw in "down to the paper filter".

 

A motor can be stock with aftermarket exhaust on them.. What do you get when you pull the exhaust off, you still get the same stock motor that was there before.. Now when I say my motor is stock that is what I mean, the motor part is stock.. No one ever said anything about exhaust that with is a bolt on to the "MOTOR"... 300bhp/ton you need to get off your high horse here because everyone here agrees that the MOTOR is stock with bolt on and N20... If you think by changing the exhaust system makes a motor not stock well you have different issues.. Like other people here have said if you have not touched the longblock then the motor is stock... It doesn't matter what kind of exhaust you bolt to it because that is just what it is a bolt on but all the internals and what not would still stay the same...

 

My head hurts......must....have.....a beer....

 

My mod list just to let you guys know.. This is everything I can think of as of right now..

Motor: 100% Bone Stock Longblock From the factory
Intake: JLT RAI, PHP Intake Spacer
Exhaust: Hooker Ceramic Coated Longtube Headers, SLP O/R X Pipe, Magnaflow Catback
Drive Train: Ram 900 H/D Clutch, Tremec TKO Transmission, FRPP Aluminum D/S, FRPP 3.73's, Eaton 31 Spline Possi, Moser 31 Spline Axles, Welded Axle Tubes & Axle Tube braces, Trickflow Girdle
Front Suspension: 100% Stock From Factory
Rear Suspension: Wild Rides Solid Double Adjustable Upper Control Arms, UPR Solid Single Adjustable Lower Control Arms, KYB-AGX Adjustable Shocks.
Chasse Work: Custom Made Full length Subframe Connectors
Wheels/Tires: Weld Draglites 15x3.5 With 165R 15 Radials Up Front, Weld Draglites 15x8 With 26x11.5x15 Mickey Thompson ET Streets In The Rear
Power Adder: Compucar Nitrous Oxide System 125 Wet Shot
Electronics: Diablo Revolutions Flip Chip With N/A & Nitrous Tunes, A/F Gauge & Nitrous Gauges in A Piller Pod

 

Gotta agree 100%. If someone says stock engine that means no aftermarket heads, cam, etc...however I wouldnt consider adding headers making an engine no longer stock. Most people assume that by stock engine it means its stock internally. JMO.

 

Some serious whining in this thread..... You really have nothing better to do than accuse some one of lying on the internet?? Jesus, take a drive or do something !!!

 

Yeah he accused me of lying on here, when I never said I run low 11's N/A.. I said I run low 11's and I still have a stock motor.. Which is true I do have a stock motor and run low 11's but he didn't ask how I was doing it.. He just assumed something.. Someone else asked and I told them how I was doing it with a 125shot of Nitrous.. I can't help it he doesn't know how to use the search button..

 

Jeff runs in the "Factory Stock" class in NMRA.

He is required to run the stock K-member, un-ported stock heads (valve guide jobs are OK), un-ported stock intake (no gasket-matching/polishing/etc), stock bore/stroke (I think they can be .010 over but no more), stock camshafts (no aftermarket sticks allowed), and they MUST weigh 3400 lbs. They are also full-exhaust cars w/tailpipes, run on BFG drag radials and aren't allowed to run Long-Tube headers (mid-lengths only).
These F/S cars are regularly torn-down (just like NASCAR) to prove that everything is in compliance with the rules/specs. If he had ported heads/aftermarket cams/larger displacement they would certainly find it during a tear-down & he would be immediately disqualified.

What else is there to know?

Who's being secretive?

I see no reason to list evey single "Non-Stock" part & doo-dad I have on my Mach, especially since many of them only gained me durability & didn't reduce my car's weight or increase my RWHP or RWTQ one damn bit.

I mean really, do you need to know that I have a Stewart-Warner Ultra-Shift light with 4/stage technology?
Or how's 'bout a height-adjustable clutch pedal bracket?

Neither one made my car .0001 quicker or .0001 mph faster.

Just for the record though - my car weighs 3240 lbs, give or take few depending on how much gas I have on-board.
I still have my factory carpetting, sound-deadening, interior panels, factory stereo, A/C, power-steering, ABS, stock clutch/pressure-plate & flywheel, power windows, etc, etc, etc...

I drive the car to-and-from the track (no trailer here), launch @ 6800 rpm, and cut 1.52X - 1.55X 60' times.

Car made 335 rwhp last time I dynoed it.

BTW - NEVER said - or even implied - that the Mach was 'some kind of supercar".
When someone states that "A Mach 1 CAN'T POSSIBLY do (whatever)" and I know it can - and has been done - I feel compelled to comment with actual facts/examples.

Simple as that....