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03-08-2006, 08:04 AM
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I do find it amusing that most f-bod cars don't give any respect to the Evo or STi. All the power to them I say. We all know(those who actually have knowledge about cars) that a stock vs. stock car is a good run. Hell our FI 4cyl can compete with cars like the vette and Cobra in the 1/4. After that it starts to change after the 90-100mph mark, but still. I know I'm just babbling, but what ever. When I beat your LSx, just gimmie a little respect, that's all I ask.
03-08-2006, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MaSTi
I do find it amusing that most f-bod cars don't give any respect to the Evo or STi. All the power to them I say. We all know(those who actually have knowledge about cars) that a stock vs. stock car is a good run. Hell our FI 4cyl can compete with cars like the vette and Cobra in the 1/4. After that it starts to change after the 90-100mph mark, but still. I know I'm just babbling, but what ever. When I beat your LSx, just gimmie a little respect, that's all I ask.
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone should be giving the STi/Evo respect just because they are AWD. They put down 60+ less horsepower at the wheels than an LS1, and about 120 less WHP than an LS2 or Mustang Cobra. Without a hard launch (i.e. dropping the clutch at 5K RPM) they are nothing special at all.
Sure you can hang in the 1/4, but from a roll its a joke. Any of those cars would walk an STi/Evo from a roll like they're going backwards.
03-08-2006, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
The only reason you can hang in the 1/4 mile is because of the AWD launch. Its a huge advantage off the line, and it takes some distance for a RWD car to make up for it with pure power.
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone should be giving the STi/Evo respect just because they are AWD. They put down 60+ less horsepower at the wheels than an LS1, and about 120 less WHP than an LS2 or Mustang Cobra. Without a hard launch (i.e. dropping the clutch at 5K RPM) they are nothing special at all.
Sure you can hang in the 1/4, but from a roll its a joke. Any of those cars would walk an STi/Evo from a roll like they're going backwards.
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone should be giving the STi/Evo respect just because they are AWD. They put down 60+ less horsepower at the wheels than an LS1, and about 120 less WHP than an LS2 or Mustang Cobra. Without a hard launch (i.e. dropping the clutch at 5K RPM) they are nothing special at all.
Sure you can hang in the 1/4, but from a roll its a joke. Any of those cars would walk an STi/Evo from a roll like they're going backwards.
FWIW, AWD isn't an advantage if you have a properly set up RWD... Your argument is weak, since those cars come from the factory with AWD, as the LS1 has over twice the displacement of the STI's and Evo's... Thats just how they are, two very different kinds of vehicles, that run the 1/4 in very similar times... quit bitching...
03-08-2006, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MaSTi
I do find it amusing that most f-bod cars don't give any respect to the Evo or STi. All the power to them I say. We all know(those who actually have knowledge about cars) that a stock vs. stock car is a good run. Hell our FI 4cyl can compete with cars like the vette and Cobra in the 1/4. After that it starts to change after the 90-100mph mark, but still. I know I'm just babbling, but what ever. When I beat your LSx, just gimmie a little respect, that's all I ask.
If I had the money I'd pick up one of them , most likely an EVO. right now I'm in a huge debate with myself.. I'm trying to figure out if I want to pick up a C6 ( I love them) or if I should hold off and wait for the 09 Camaro.
03-08-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MillaTK
All I got from that post was "blah blah blah ::COUGH:: ::COUGH:: Ricer excuses, ricer excuses ::COUGH:: ::COUGH:: blah blah blah blah blah...
03-08-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
The only reason you can hang in the 1/4 mile is because of the AWD launch. Its a huge advantage off the line, and it takes some distance for a RWD car to make up for it with pure power.
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone should be giving the STi/Evo respect just because they are AWD. They put down 60+ less horsepower at the wheels than an LS1, and about 120 less WHP than an LS2 or Mustang Cobra. Without a hard launch (i.e. dropping the clutch at 5K RPM) they are nothing special at all.
Sure you can hang in the 1/4, but from a roll its a joke. Any of those cars would walk an STi/Evo from a roll like they're going backwards.
Sorry, but I don't see why anyone should be giving the STi/Evo respect just because they are AWD. They put down 60+ less horsepower at the wheels than an LS1, and about 120 less WHP than an LS2 or Mustang Cobra. Without a hard launch (i.e. dropping the clutch at 5K RPM) they are nothing special at all.
Sure you can hang in the 1/4, but from a roll its a joke. Any of those cars would walk an STi/Evo from a roll like they're going backwards.
Roll racing is about the most meaningless form of racing. It involves almost no skill. It does not even involve the chassis of the car. It involves power and aero and gearing. Thats it. And so the fact that one car beats another in that one area means that the other is not worthy of respect, regardless of its other merits. Wow.
Keep digging.
03-08-2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sparetire
So AWD is a huge advantage off the line, but you dont see why the Evo deserves respect. Interesting.
Roll racing is about the most meaningless form of racing. It involves almost no skill. It does not even involve the chassis of the car. It involves power and aero and gearing. Thats it. And so the fact that one car beats another in that one area means that the other is not worthy of respect, regardless of its other merits. Wow.
Keep digging.
Roll racing is about the most meaningless form of racing. It involves almost no skill. It does not even involve the chassis of the car. It involves power and aero and gearing. Thats it. And so the fact that one car beats another in that one area means that the other is not worthy of respect, regardless of its other merits. Wow.
Keep digging.
Stop following me around and trying to counter every post I make, you're getting annoying.
All I got from that post was "blah blah blah ::COUGH:: ::COUGH:: Ricer excuses, ricer excuses ::COUGH:: ::COUGH:: blah blah blah blah blah...
FWIW, AWD isn't an advantage if you have a properly set up RWD... Your argument is weak, since those cars come from the factory with AWD, as the LS1 has over twice the displacement of the STI's and Evo's... Thats just how they are, two very different kinds of vehicles, that run the 1/4 in very similar times... quit bitching...
FWIW, AWD isn't an advantage if you have a properly set up RWD... Your argument is weak, since those cars come from the factory with AWD, as the LS1 has over twice the displacement of the STI's and Evo's... Thats just how they are, two very different kinds of vehicles, that run the 1/4 in very similar times... quit bitching...
03-09-2006, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
Keep digging what?? I didn't know an opinion could be wrong. The only reason they are fast is due to AWD, not actual power.
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03-09-2006, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
Keep digging what?? I didn't know an opinion could be wrong. My opinion is I don't think the Evo or STi are anything special. The only reason they are fast is due to AWD, not actual power.
You seriously have issues... I don't have to bring sticky tarz to the track or out on the street to 60ft. You guys better not run slicks or else I will nevar have a chance! Oh noesss!!
On a unrelated side note:
My evo made 301 awtq @ 3500 rpm on a mustang dyno with an exhaust, mbc, and tune for right under $850. This was more than enough to walk a lightly modded ls1 from a roll. From a dig on the street, forget about it. I will test out the bolt-on cam Evo vs bolt-on cam ls1 here before too long. From past experiences, it might take a wee bit more boost with the help of some race gas to handle one from a roll. Unless he is on tires, a dig on the street or track would be almost pointless...
I have driven several ls1's, and they are really fun cars. I plan putting a 427 + 200 shot in a 3rd gen fd. I'm gonna need ALOT of tire, and it's gonna be wicked.
03-09-2006, 03:23 AM
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Lol, too funny, so I guess a car that comes stock with 270/300+ hp is not fast due to "power" but the fact that its awd?? That makes no sense at all. From a roll, my Evo puts a lot of LSx to shame, from a dig it gets even worse. Yeah my Evo isnt the fastest car out there by far, but it holds it own for a little 4cyl even from a roll against the mighty V8's.
03-09-2006, 07:47 AM
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^^That's what I'm saying. You bitch because we're AWD, but when you have slicks it's pretty much an equalizer. And as far as a roll race, you'd be suprised what some of are AWD cars can do. I can hang with a few LSx car's as well. Yes I'm modded, but so are the cars I hang out with. Your just a fool I guess. *shrug*
03-09-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by UTEvo8
So basically any car with awd will be fast reguardless of the power they make?? You seriously have issues...
You seriously have issues...
On a unrelated side note:
My evo made 301 awtq @ 3500 rpm on a mustang dyno with an exhaust, mbc, and tune for right under $850. This was more than enough to walk a lightly modded ls1 from a roll. From a dig on the street, forget about it. I will test out the bolt-on cam Evo vs bolt-on cam ls1 here before too long. From past experiences, it might take a wee bit more boost with the help of some race gas to handle one from a roll. Unless he is on tires, a dig on the street or track would be almost pointless...
My evo made 301 awtq @ 3500 rpm on a mustang dyno with an exhaust, mbc, and tune for right under $850. This was more than enough to walk a lightly modded ls1 from a roll. From a dig on the street, forget about it. I will test out the bolt-on cam Evo vs bolt-on cam ls1 here before too long. From past experiences, it might take a wee bit more boost with the help of some race gas to handle one from a roll. Unless he is on tires, a dig on the street or track would be almost pointless...
Lol, too funny, so I guess a car that comes stock with 270/300+ hp is not fast due to "power" but the fact that its awd?? That makes no sense at all. From a roll, my Evo puts a lot of LSx to shame, from a dig it gets even worse. Yeah my Evo isnt the fastest car out there by far, but it holds it own for a little 4cyl even from a roll against the mighty V8's.
03-09-2006, 03:04 PM
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Do I have any idea what Evos put down stock? Hmm....Lemme see maybe you should look at my sig!! I dont have serious mods, at least I dont consider them serious, bolt on's relash and cams, bring on an LS1 carfrom a roll, I'll show you what happens. Matter of fact, Ive said it before. I can race our Z06 form a roll and it wont pass the Evo until after 4th gear, I dont think an LS1 car would be next to me by that time, it would be in my rearview mirror (stock or slight mods) Believe me been there and done that plenty of times with SS's WS6's, TA's you name it, so quit basing your opinion on ricer math, every car is different.
03-09-2006, 06:33 PM
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Yeah they can be some fast little bastards. Ask Kens02SS about the Viper and HEAVILY modded evo 8 we ran into on the way to Victorville.
Well I would think your car would be little, its funny just because it has a 4cyc people still refur to the car like its a civic or somthing. It does have 4 Doors and weighs in as much as a Fbody or a tad bit more. Lol Nothing little about them...
