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Originally Posted by Gloveperson
JD power had the 2002 Camaro as the 2nd most reliable "sporty car" behind the Miata and in front of the S2000 for its three year test. In the same class was the Acura RSX and quite a few other Japanese and German cars. The 02 F-body was a very reliable car. My 98 on the other hand.... 
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Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
We're on LS1 Tech, not an RX7 forum, deal with it.
But I will say that the RX8 sucks. Bring back the RX-7
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Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
Here's one example:
Theres plenty more.
Theres plenty more.
and stock for stock, an rx7 will hand you your *** on a road course. Truth hurts doesnt it
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
Sure, I'd be interested to see the outcome. Stock RX7 vs. stock Trans Am WS6. Both manual, any road course. Its ridiculous to compare a modded LS1 RX7 to a stock WS6, come on now
Seriously, you have to be kidding? At the strip, the F-body would pull off the win. The fastest stock RX-7 ever has run a 13.21. That time was taken from a ******* 1993 car. I have heard of F-body's in the 12's. But at a track, there would not be a race, as the RX-7's braking, handling, weight distribution, etc. are far superior to the F-bodies. Road and Track even quoted it as "One of the most advanced handling vehicles of all time, and could run with the best". Since when did F-bodies get that said about them?
Originally Posted by rastarajah
your comprehension is amazing.
superior = BETTER.
ace xbox noted how an LS1 is "more superior" than the rotary.
superior = BETTER.
ace xbox noted how an LS1 is "more superior" than the rotary.
No **** "superior means better", but the way AcE XBOX said it, I took it as if he was saying that putting an LS1 in an RX7 would make a more reliable vehicle than having an LS1 in an F-Body. Looking at it again, perhaps he meant it as the RX7 would be more reliable with an LS1 though, maybe he will clarify what he meant by that.
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
Ironically it is your comprehension that is lacking, I read his statement from a different point of view.
No **** "superior means better", but the way AcE XBOX said it, I took it as if he was saying that putting an LS1 in an RX7 would make a more reliable vehicle than having an LS1 in an F-Body. Looking at it again, perhaps he meant it as the RX7 would be more reliable with an LS1 though, maybe he will clarify what he meant by that.
No **** "superior means better", but the way AcE XBOX said it, I took it as if he was saying that putting an LS1 in an RX7 would make a more reliable vehicle than having an LS1 in an F-Body. Looking at it again, perhaps he meant it as the RX7 would be more reliable with an LS1 though, maybe he will clarify what he meant by that.
and my comprehension is just fine, thanks.
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
I said it was possible, given that my car has a significant power advantage. Stock for stock an RX-7 handles better, but my car has a ton more power, so it could be close on a road course.
On nearly any circuit, the stock FD WILL WIN...
Once you begin talking about autocross, many turns, the F-body will now be EXTREMELY behind.
Domestic Demon, you're making some ridiculous statements lately. I've got nothing against you, but come on... Do you know anything about OTHER cars? The quoted text is plainly ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by LSINA7
Seriously, you have to be kidding? At the strip, the F-body would pull off the win. The fastest stock RX-7 ever has run a 13.21. That time was taken from a ******* 1993 car. I have heard of F-body's in the 12's. But at a track, there would not be a race, as the RX-7's braking, handling, weight distribution, etc. are far superior to the F-bodies. Road and Track even quoted it as "One of the most advanced handling vehicles of all time, and could run with the best". Since when did F-bodies get that said about them?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=3
edit: and I agree, putting that ls1 in an rx7 would make it damn fast!
The RX-7 would've pulled faster times than all three cars (SS, S2000, Boxster), and it would have embarassed the S2000 and Boxster... I hope users here who are into road racing here will agree.
Better balance, slalom speeds, g's, everything. In the hands of a capable driver, those cars FLY around a track... Once you start doing some suspension mod's, the car becomes unreal. I've been looking for a clean FD for quite some time now... Most people who own an FD DO NOT want to sell it... Unless it's a real piece.
Better balance, slalom speeds, g's, everything. In the hands of a capable driver, those cars FLY around a track... Once you start doing some suspension mod's, the car becomes unreal. I've been looking for a clean FD for quite some time now... Most people who own an FD DO NOT want to sell it... Unless it's a real piece.
Originally Posted by bboyferal
The RX-7 would've pulled faster times than all three cars (SS, S2000, Boxster), and it would have embarassed the S2000 and Boxster... I hope users here who are into road racing here will agree.
Better balance, slalom speeds, g's, everything. In the hands of a capable driver, those cars FLY around a track... Once you start doing some suspension mod's, the car becomes unreal. I've been looking for a clean FD for quite some time now... Most people who own an FD DO NOT want to sell it... Unless it's a real piece.
Better balance, slalom speeds, g's, everything. In the hands of a capable driver, those cars FLY around a track... Once you start doing some suspension mod's, the car becomes unreal. I've been looking for a clean FD for quite some time now... Most people who own an FD DO NOT want to sell it... Unless it's a real piece.
I want to see if I can find a stock time at that track I mentioned. I wish I had some to show you... And as applicable to all humans, I may be wrong... However, seeing what some can do at the local autocross with little/no engine mods has greatly shaped my opinion. In Japanese circuit-racing, I've seen the RX-7 OFTEN overtake other, HIGHER-powered and GOOD-handling cars.
Originally Posted by bboyferal
I wish I had some to show you... And as applicable to all humans, I may be wrong... However, seeing what some can do at the local autocross with little/no engine mods has greatly shaped my opinion. In Japanese circuit-racing, I've seen the RX-7 OFTEN overtake other, HIGHER-powered and GOOD-handling cars.
edit: a driver can be a world of a difference too.
Originally Posted by wickedwarlock
I'm not saying it doesn't handle well. But people often under rate how well many american cars can handle. Especially modified ones. I mean last year, Those vipers and mustangs were dominating in their classes. I think people see american, and automatically assume they handle like a beast when quite frank, they handle as good or better than many foreign cars. Same as everyone says that nascar peeps can't drive a road coarse either when they won the race a few years ago. Jeff Gordon, three others but I can't remember their names now off hand, they were driving that modified ford focus and won first place. Even the big foreign drivers comments said that, people thing they run those cars round and round a circle and think that they can't drive. They are true racers, that myth of them driving circles and can't drive is bs.
edit: a driver can be a world of a difference too.
edit: a driver can be a world of a difference too.
the video i posted was the stock RX7 competing in one of the tracks in Japan (japan most of the hardest tracks in the world) with "FR Supercars."
RX7 RS (no MAJOR changes from the USDM R1-R2) out-handled the NSX spec-v, R34 AWD Skyline, etc.
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A 4 year old F-bod qualified 4th overall in its class this year for Grand Am's season opener race at Daytona. It can handle. I know, I looked into building one and had my entire parts list ready to go.
That said, stock for stock , the RX7 is a better package.
I've run down and passed drivers in far superior cars than my wagon when it was stock, and I've also been passed by some serious drivers in cars with less hp. Roadcourse is more-so about driver skill and vehicle setup than HP. Sure, a C6 Z06 closed a 10 car gap on me on Homestead's front straight (while in my stock wagon)- that's where HP counts. HP wins in larger tracks.
Here's the catch though, the stock RX7 vs. stock WS6 argument goes to the RX7 due to its superior trackability from the factory. The WS6's stock brake pads alone will turn to goo after a couple laps of trying to slow down its weight. An F-bod needs prep. for tracking. Something like an RX7 or a Lotus Elise is turn-key, ready to track.
This is all rediculous.
That said, stock for stock , the RX7 is a better package.
I've run down and passed drivers in far superior cars than my wagon when it was stock, and I've also been passed by some serious drivers in cars with less hp. Roadcourse is more-so about driver skill and vehicle setup than HP. Sure, a C6 Z06 closed a 10 car gap on me on Homestead's front straight (while in my stock wagon)- that's where HP counts. HP wins in larger tracks.
Here's the catch though, the stock RX7 vs. stock WS6 argument goes to the RX7 due to its superior trackability from the factory. The WS6's stock brake pads alone will turn to goo after a couple laps of trying to slow down its weight. An F-bod needs prep. for tracking. Something like an RX7 or a Lotus Elise is turn-key, ready to track.
This is all rediculous.
Originally Posted by bboyferal
This is plain dumb, Unless the road course is over one-mile and only has ONE TURN, the F-body will get it's *** handed by the FD, STOCK for STOCK.
On nearly any circuit, the stock FD WILL WIN...
Once you begin talking about autocross, many turns, the F-body will now be EXTREMELY behind.
Domestic Demon, you're making some ridiculous statements lately. I've got nothing against you, but come on... Do you know anything about OTHER cars? The quoted text is plainly ridiculous.
On nearly any circuit, the stock FD WILL WIN...
Once you begin talking about autocross, many turns, the F-body will now be EXTREMELY behind.
Domestic Demon, you're making some ridiculous statements lately. I've got nothing against you, but come on... Do you know anything about OTHER cars? The quoted text is plainly ridiculous.
A stock Trans Am WS6 has almost 100 more HP than a stock RX-7. Does that not count for anything?? If its an extremely tight road course with hairpin turns and the like than the RX7 would wipe the floor with an F-Body, but I was referring to a track with some wide, sweeping turns and long straights in between, where the LS1's significant power advantage would come into play.
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
I know plenty about other vehicles, I just don't overestimate the performance of imports like you do. It seems every time I turn around you're ranting and raving about another imports, whether it be an RX7, Evo, STi, ect. Enough already.
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
A stock Trans Am WS6 has almost 100 more HP than a stock RX-7. Does that not count for anything??
Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
If its an extremely tight road course with hairpin turns and the like than the RX7 would wipe the floor with an F-Body, but I was referring to a track with some wide, sweeping turns and long straights in between, where the LS1's significant power advantage would come into play.
FYI for all users, knowing what other cars are capable of ACCURATELY=ranting and raving about imports... Take into account and post accordingly.
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Originally Posted by Domestic Demon
Ironically it is your comprehension that is lacking, I read his statement from a different point of view.
No **** "superior means better", but the way AcE XBOX said it, I took it as if he was saying that putting an LS1 in an RX7 would make a more reliable vehicle than having an LS1 in an F-Body. Looking at it again, perhaps he meant it as the RX7 would be more reliable with an LS1 though, maybe he will clarify what he meant by that.
No **** "superior means better", but the way AcE XBOX said it, I took it as if he was saying that putting an LS1 in an RX7 would make a more reliable vehicle than having an LS1 in an F-Body. Looking at it again, perhaps he meant it as the RX7 would be more reliable with an LS1 though, maybe he will clarify what he meant by that.
Originally Posted by rastarajah
my FD weighs 2695lbs
You're an FD enthusiast...
Your opinion on the following question will be ENTIRELY more valid than anyone else's:
What would be your "guesstimation," if you don't already know, on what a stock FD would run at the Thunderhill raceway?