700+rwhp Viper VS. My Sprayed Mach1
11-10-2006, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Killemall
I find it hard to beleave that the Viper owner is putting down any were near 720 rwhp with those mods...
A 522 CI stoker isnt really that big of a deal....Elspecially considering that the bone stock engine is a 488 CI...
Id think this guy is 550 rwhp at the lowest and 650 whp at the highest...Im guessing right around 600 rwhp NA and then 800 rwhp with the NOS...
Do you really think a 550 rwhp mach1 would run door to door with a 720 rwhp NA Viper...
That Viper would be putting down 500 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...
I was amazed when i saw that my bone stock viper hit 300 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...
As well that 720 rwhp Vper wpould be 900-1000 rwt..
This guy just isnt telling you the hole story..Or more apropiety he is around 720 crank HP all engine...
600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...
With him around 600 rwhp and being a little lazy on the stick I can see you pulling him with 550 rwhp...
But man if he had 720 rwhp he could probaly miss a gear and still end up winning...
Ive got a buddy with a 10 pound roe supercharger as well as methanol injection and he only dyno's 720 rwhp on his GTS....But his car runs 9.9's at 140 mph...
as far as the weights go....
rt 10...3380 pounds
GTS....3420 pounds
mach1...3370 pounds
So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????
Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.
A 522 CI stoker isnt really that big of a deal....Elspecially considering that the bone stock engine is a 488 CI...
Id think this guy is 550 rwhp at the lowest and 650 whp at the highest...Im guessing right around 600 rwhp NA and then 800 rwhp with the NOS...
Do you really think a 550 rwhp mach1 would run door to door with a 720 rwhp NA Viper...
That Viper would be putting down 500 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...
I was amazed when i saw that my bone stock viper hit 300 rwhp at only 3000 rpm's...
As well that 720 rwhp Vper wpould be 900-1000 rwt..
This guy just isnt telling you the hole story..Or more apropiety he is around 720 crank HP all engine...
600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...
With him around 600 rwhp and being a little lazy on the stick I can see you pulling him with 550 rwhp...
But man if he had 720 rwhp he could probaly miss a gear and still end up winning...
Ive got a buddy with a 10 pound roe supercharger as well as methanol injection and he only dyno's 720 rwhp on his GTS....But his car runs 9.9's at 140 mph...
as far as the weights go....
rt 10...3380 pounds
GTS....3420 pounds
mach1...3370 pounds
So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????
Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.
11-10-2006, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Killemall
600 rwhp plus 15% drive train loss would put him at 690 crank HP...So maybe he's 615 rwhp NA equaling out to 720 crank HP...
as far as the weights go....
rt 10...3380 pounds
GTS....3420 pounds
mach1...3370 pounds
So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????
Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.
as far as the weights go....
rt 10...3380 pounds
GTS....3420 pounds
mach1...3370 pounds
So I dont think weight would have played any factors in this race??????
Good runs...Weather thgis guy is pushin 550 rwhp or 720 rwhp. A wins a win and eighter way thats still pretty prestigous for a mustang.
#1) YOU DO NOT ADD drivetrain loss. Why does everyone do that? Adding to a NET figure DOES NOT give you the gross. The find RWHP, you multiply from Crank numbers. Soooo, to find Gross from Net, you DIVIDE. Very basic (7th grade math)....at 600RWHP and a 15% loss, he would be at 705.88 FWHP.
#2) Try reading all the posts. his car's RACE weight was ~3100 pounds.
#3) 4.10s vs. ~3.08 gears.
11-10-2006, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
The new owner of it said he was putting down 700rwhp and over 900rwhp on the 250 shot.. When Brian had it he said 650 rwhp on motor and upper 700 range on the 100 shot Brian had.. 550rwhp would be very weak for a 522CI stroker H/C/I bolt on Viper.. This is what both owners have told me personally not some B.S I heard from someone's brother's sister's dog's friend.. I'm stating what the old Owner told me and the new Owner told me.. I raced it when Brian had it when I only had a 150 shot about 4 months or so ago and he ran me on motor with me on the N20 and he only put about 1.5-2 cars on me then. My car is making about 150rwhp more now then it was then so that car is alot stronger now then it was back then.. So I know it is making more power..
11-10-2006, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ponygt65
For someone with a long post to be informative...you should really double check your posts before doing so...
#1) YOU DO NOT ADD drivetrain loss. Why does everyone do that? Adding to a NET figure DOES NOT give you the gross. The find RWHP, you multiply from Crank numbers. Soooo, to find Gross from Net, you DIVIDE. Very basic (7th grade math)....at 600RWHP and a 15% loss, he would be at 705.88 FWHP.
#2) Try reading all the posts. his car's RACE weight was ~3100 pounds.
#3) 4.10s vs. ~3.08 gears.
#1) YOU DO NOT ADD drivetrain loss. Why does everyone do that? Adding to a NET figure DOES NOT give you the gross. The find RWHP, you multiply from Crank numbers. Soooo, to find Gross from Net, you DIVIDE. Very basic (7th grade math)....at 600RWHP and a 15% loss, he would be at 705.88 FWHP.
#2) Try reading all the posts. his car's RACE weight was ~3100 pounds.
#3) 4.10s vs. ~3.08 gears.
11-10-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 99ccz28
If youre saying that is what he was at when he raced then youre wrong. He said his race weight was 3100 but he had heavy rims, seats and a passenger for the race...but anyways good run and love the color
I realize that after I posted....I stand corrected.
11-10-2006, 06:11 PM
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That is not a stroker motor in that car...It dont make over 600rwhp.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of ****.
Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of ****.
Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.
11-10-2006, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
It seems that everyone has a buddy that has something....
Are you just now figuring that one out Dan? Thats the essence of Internet racing, everyone knows someone thats got something better.
11-10-2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam88Gta1
That is not a stroker motor in that car...It dont make over 600rwhp.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of ****.
Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.
Daniel over at SQR dynoed the car when they were working on it a month ago.
Everyone knows Mike Kelly is full of ****.
Sorry Dan but you didnt beat a 700 rwhp car.
What you raced was a car that weighs slightly more then you and makes right at 600rw.Thats why the race was so close.
11-10-2006, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
Well Daniel would know the right rwhp.. So Hell 600rwhp Viper then.. That still isn't too bad at all.. Thanks for clearing up the RWHP of the Viper Sam...So there now we know the owner was full of **** on the amount of power it had.. But still it was a very good race..
Congrats....As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....
11-10-2006, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 67maro
Are you still on the stock engine or did you have a stroker engine built? Your car hauls *** for sure.
11-10-2006, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
This was the first race I have gotten into since I put a built shortblock in my car and I also put a completely different Nitrous set up on it too, but I still have the stock heads and cams that are came in the car.. I was spraying a 250 shot and the Viper has a 522CI Stroker motor, Heads, Cams, ETC. Owner said it put down around 720rwhp on motor.. He also has a 250 shot but didn't use it. Here is the vid. We started at around a 55 roll till about 130 mph where I let out due to running out of gears.. I have 4.10's.. I pulled a little bit untill I ran out of gear and let off then he flys past me.. Damn I wish I had my 3.73's back in...
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Nice video....
That sure does look ALOT like florida.
I had to watch it a couple of times to catch the signs.
11-10-2006, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Rubbing paint with a 600rwhp Viper is still quite a ******* accomplishment for a ford. Congrats....
As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....
Congrats....As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....
Yea I completely agree with this guy....
Most people on this site as well the mustang boards would be happy to just be able to beat a stock GTS..
They have ran 11.5 at 120 mph by the best drivers 100% bone stock..As well as numerous magazine times of 11.9-12.3 at 117-120 mph...
But your on a totaly different level from us average guys .....Beating a 600 rwhp tourquey V10 is quite a feat...
Beating a 600 rwhp Supra or other car that is PREDOMIMENTLY boost dependent is no were near as prestigous as pulling a NA 600 rwhp car...Since you can often easily get the jump on these high rwhp boosted cars while their still searching for boost...
But the viper has no excuses...His power was their the instant he put his foot down, and you still came out on top...
Well Done...And maybe there will be a hint of fear in my heart the next time I see a gray Mach1
11-10-2006, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dan03mach
The Viper Owner and driver use to own and drive an Outlaw drag car so I doubt it was a driver mod..
Was the car an autommatic?....lol.
Just watched the video, again. Dude in the viper could without a doubt,...shift ALOT faster. Like, alot faster. Good for you,....bad for him. Sounds like either his clutch spun in HIGH gear for a moment, or he rhode the clutch....or maybe he had some wheel spin(if he really is making over 700rwhp).
Wacth the video again...you'll hear what I hear.
11-10-2006, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cantdrv65
Rubbing paint with a 600rwhp Viper is still quite a ******* accomplishment for a ford. Congrats....
As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....
Congrats....As for the 408 LS engines making 550 and more....that just shows you how good the LSX series of engines/heads really are....
Amen.
11-10-2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by V-seriesTech
Was the car an autommatic?....lol.
Just watched the video, again. Dude in the viper could without a doubt,...shift ALOT faster. Like, alot faster. Good for you,....bad for him. Sounds like either his clutch spun in HIGH gear for a moment, or he rhode the clutch....or maybe he had some wheel spin(if he really is making over 700rwhp).
Wacth the video again...you'll hear what I hear.
Just watched the video, again. Dude in the viper could without a doubt,...shift ALOT faster. Like, alot faster. Good for you,....bad for him. Sounds like either his clutch spun in HIGH gear for a moment, or he rhode the clutch....or maybe he had some wheel spin(if he really is making over 700rwhp).
Wacth the video again...you'll hear what I hear.
I watched the vid again.......several times. I will agree that maybe he couls have shifted faster. but you word it like he is 'cruse shiftin'. WHat they did (on a public highway) was stupid, but to speed shift a 600 (or 700) RWHP car in traffic, is just asking for trouble. Try and be intelligent and realize breakin' loose in that situation would have been VERY bad. So that leaves one option......the driver needs to 'granny' shift faster..which I agreed with.
BTW - it was only his first shift that was 'horrible'. His second one was pretty good.
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Why would a vette owner make excuses for a Viper????
Vipers are the vettes enemy while the mustang is for the f body's....
V series tech is one of the most hard core racers on this site and was simply calling it like he saw it...
Vipers are the vettes enemy while the mustang is for the f body's....
V series tech is one of the most hard core racers on this site and was simply calling it like he saw it...