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Old 04-27-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
trapspeed... not e/t.
Remember, friendly talking here .
Here's a couple more examples of lightly bolt on LT1's, and what they can do.

Originally Posted by blind527
I ran a 13.4 with my 97 auto with a stock stall, BFG KDWS and full exhaust.
That was also on full race weight. I also now have drag radials.

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95 TA LT1 M6
Long tubes
ORY
Mad z28 Tune
Ebay CAI
160 Stat
Some Suspension stuff
13.1 At 107 2.1 60ft M6

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1995 Camaro Z28 A4
Morosi CAI, 160 thermo, PaceSetter LT's,
3" Hooker Cat Back,
No CATS, 4.10's, 3500 Stall, Tranny Cooler,
MadZ28 tune, M/T DR's, Harwood Hood
1/4...12.78@105.11
1/8...8.103@83.63
60ft...1.72

Originally Posted by lt1camaro95
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95 Z28 A4 12.968 @105.4mph 1.78 60' street tires
2500 stall, 3.73's,edlebrock headers, cutout, flowmasters,
LT4 knock module (they work), LT1EDIT....thats it.
And this outta cause some controversy.
Im not sure I believe it myself.

VIDEO
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I just asked what they would trap... It's cool that people pull those times, but the guy in the video ponygt posted didn't have near that much done (intake/exhaust/headers only, CLAIMED), and he was pulling cars that trap 110mph+. All I said was that it was a bit fishy.
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A stall will make a huge difference in an auto, and both of the one's in the 12's had stalls.

Also, the ls1 IS leaps and bounds over an lt1.

PS I hope your optispark doesnt go out tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by 98Camarod

Also, the ls1 IS leaps and bounds over an lt1.
.5-.7 tenths is leaps and bounds.
Both motors are capable of 8's, 9's and 10's.
That not leaps and bounds
Here' ya go..
https://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedia-exchange/490766-ls-what-n-lt1-runs-9-s-hot-rod.html

Originally Posted by 98Camarod
PS I hope your optispark doesnt go out tomorrow.
The optispark is a very accurate distributor. Most LT1 taxis clear 200K on the original opti.
Yes they can be a problem, but more of it has to do with improper installation.
I bought my Z28 with 70K and I have put 45K on it without having to change anything.
But I can't say the same thing about the LS1 Piston slap
Take your bullshit somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
.5-.7 tenths is leaps and bounds.
Actually, it is.
Originally Posted by burnzilla
The optispark is a very accurate distributor.
That's certainly one way to describe it. Another way would be to call
it a hunk of ****.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
me thing about the LS1 Piston slap
What do you want to hear...that it's actually good for power?

Don't get all pissy. You know that LT1's are miserable in comparison
to LS1's. That is a fact. It's not opinion.
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Originally Posted by unit213
Don't get all pissy. You know that LT1's are miserable in comparison
to LS1's. That is a fact. It's not opinion.
Technically yes.
When it comes to potential, sound and power, no.
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If you spend equal amounts of money on mods on both cars can you guess which one is going to be leaps and bounds ahead?
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Originally Posted by 98Camarod
If you spend equal amounts of money on mods on both cars can you guess which one is going to be leaps and bounds ahead?
Prochargers are cheaper.
The LT1 car itself is MUCH cheaper, sometimes by 10K.

Lets not get out of hand here, this is about a bolt on LT1 beating a Mach 1, fair and square, and the thousands of excuses that come with it.
I can show you LT1's hitting high 12's that are M6's with bolt ons.

If youre trying to start an arguement about which car is cheaper to mod, you will lose.

Im done.
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
Im done.
I spared you above or you really would've been done.
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There's a pretty good reason why they are cheaper. I'd say it would be the LT1 in it that holds down the price compared to the LS1. I have the oldest LS1 f body there is, it wasnt expensive like you are talking about. These cars are practically the same amount to mod, but the LS1 reacts much better to the mods and the tuning ability with the LS1 is practically endless. You can defend your LT1 all you want, but there is a reason why the LSx platform is still around and the LT1 isnt.
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Originally Posted by unit213
I spared you above or you really would've been done.
Unit, what this comes down to is a bunch of people neglecting the LT1 because its older and they most likely didn't drive/own one.
You of all people know that I understand that the LSX platform is just flat out a better motor, and better building block.

My point is, the LT1 is still a beast, and even guys with both platforms will tell you that.
The only thing that gets on my nerves is when a comment like, "the optisparks are junk" or, "it was a bad driver" comes along... anything to put thier ego back where it was.
That is bullshit. Thats all I have been trying to say.
So "own" me if you will and say what you will about my car, I am very happy with my torqey LT1 and a car that runs 13's is not leaps and bounds above an LT1... period.
Not to mention the many handicaps our cars have ( not an excuse, just saying)
Head angle, most are GU2, restrictive as **** stock intake,restrictive as **** exhaust manifold, restrictive as **** stock exhaust... etc
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Teh LS1 = God (or at least that what everyone on LS1tech will tell you.

Who cares anyway. I'm happy that I paid less than 5k for my LT1 and it outruns LS1's, GT's, Evo's, Mach 1's, 98 Saleen's, 350z's, and most of whatever other people throw at it. ONOZ TEH LS1 CAN NEV4R LOOS3!

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Originally Posted by burnzilla
Both motors are capable of 8's, 9's and 10's.
But only one of those two is capable of 7's and 6's.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
I bought my Z28 with 70K and I have put 45K on it without having to change anything.
But I can't say the same thing about the LS1 Piston slap
Take your bullshit somewhere else.
Piston slap is annoying from what I hear. I wouldn't know personally because mine doesn't have it. I would ask my buddy John who has a 98 Formula but his doesn't have it either. Piston slap didn't come with all LS1 powered vehicles. Optispark on the other hand......

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Yes HP has everything to do with any type of racing.
My point is, having more HP then another car does NOT necessarily mean you have the faster car.
Gearing, tuning, weight, torque and traction and others make up a race.
I have seen cars beat other cars with 50 more HP because of superior gearing and traction.
I agree. But there is a problem here. The car in question did not have gears, LT headers, torque converter, weight reduction or sticky tires. The first two I know for sure and the rest I am guessing because he didn't mention them before the video or during the discussion.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Its very common for a Strong bolt on LT1 to put a hurten on Mach 1's and LS1's stock, and/or lightly modded.
Its not out of the ordinary.
I disagree. Not that they can't put a hurtin on stock or lightly modded LS1's but rather that it's common to find a stock or lightly modded LS1

Originally Posted by burnzilla
There's a guy on here with just a K&N and Borla on a 94 A4 running a 13.3.
Link me this please. I definately want to read the thread because that's a solid .5 to .7 faster then that car should be going with just a catback.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Also, the bolt on LT1 record is 12.2... let me look for the vid, its a members car from here.
Actually the LT1 bolt on record is 11.8 @ 113. I can't believe you didn't know that. His name is Shon Herron and he did it in a lightweight M6 LT1 with all the bolt ons (duh).

Wanna know what the LS1 bolt on record is? Since you asked it's 10.8 @ 122 by Project_SS. He did it in a lightweight LS1 with a big stall and all the bolt ons (duh).

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Prochargers are cheaper.
The LT1 car itself is MUCH cheaper, sometimes by 10K.
Not a good argument anymore. LS1's can be well under 10K these days so even college kids can afford them now. That's probably why I see so few LT1's running at the track compared to LS1's.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Lets not get out of hand here, this is about a bolt on LT1 beating a Mach 1, fair and square, and the thousands of excuses that come with it.
And the guy who posted the vid even admitted that anything can happen on the street and he thinks he just beat a bad driver. If he can admit that then why can't you?

Originally Posted by burnzilla
I can show you LT1's hitting high 12's that are M6's with bolt ons.
And I can show you my sig. Just think what I could do with 3.73 gears, a bigger stall, LS6 intake and an underdrive pulley. I'll see your high 12's (when I have a bad launch) and raise you mid 12's (on a good launch which is 95% of the time)
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This thread has gone way off track! The LT1 beat the Mach 1 and has video to prove it. Not all LT1's are dogs, some of our LT1's run strong. Mine is a bolt on LT1 A4 Trans Am with 54,000 well taken care of miles. Some of the LS1'S that I have beaten (and lost to) dont believe me when I tell them my mods.
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
Piston slap is annoying from what I hear. I wouldn't know personally because mine doesn't have it. I would ask my buddy John who has a 98 Formula but his doesn't have it either. Piston slap didn't come with all LS1 powered vehicles. Optispark on the other hand......
Is not nearly as bad as people like you, who have no idea what their talking about, say about it.


Originally Posted by darrensls1
I agree. But there is a problem here. The car in question did not have gears, LT headers, torque converter, weight reduction or sticky tires.
And if it did the race would've been an *** whoopin.


Originally Posted by darrensls1
Actually the LT1 bolt on record is 11.8 @ 113. I can't believe you didn't know that. His name is Shon Herron and he did it in a lightweight M6 LT1 with all the bolt ons (duh).
Thats pretty good!

Originally Posted by darrensls1
Wanna know what the LS1 bolt on record is? Since you asked it's 10.8 @ 122 by Project_SS. He did it in a lightweight LS1 with a big stall and all the bolt ons (duh).
I didn't ask, but thats nice.


Originally Posted by darrensls1
Not a good argument anymore. LS1's can be well under 10K these days so even college kids can afford them now.
LT1's cost half that.
Originally Posted by darrensls1
That's probably why I see so few LT1's running at the track compared to LS1's.
Its called, the LS1 bandwagon.

Originally Posted by darrensls1
And the guy who posted the vid even admitted that anything can happen on the street and he thinks he just beat a bad driver. If he can admit that then why can't you?
What? Don't try and spin this on me. Im not the one who got my panties in a bunch.

Originally Posted by darrensls1
And I can show you my sig. Just think what I could do with 3.73 gears, a bigger stall, LS6 intake and an underdrive pulley. I'll see your high 12's (when I have a bad launch) and raise you mid 12's (on a good launch which is 95% of the time)
Those are nice times, but average for an LS1 with your mods.
For the money you spent buying your car and modding it, I could have made my LT1 run 11's, possibly 10's.
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Originally Posted by BayAreaSS
Nice Kill!

That vette went by like you guys were standing still.....
Haha I Was Just Thinking That
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Originally Posted by burnzilla

I can show you LT1's hitting high 12's that are M6's with bolt ons.
Mach 1's have hit high 12's completely bone-stock - no bolt-ons needed.

Additionally, I've lost count how many have hit the high 12's with just drag radials...
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
Is not nearly as bad as people like you, who have no idea what their talking about, say about it.
It's probably one of the worst ideas GM ever had in regards to the F-body. Why else would it have the nickname "opticrap"?

Originally Posted by burnzilla
And if it did the race would've been an *** whoopin.
With the same crappy driver in the Mach then I have to agree.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Thats pretty good!

I didn't ask, but thats nice.
I think they are both kick *** records and extremly impressive. But I like how you down played the LS1 record

Originally Posted by burnzilla
LT1's cost half that.
Because they are worth half that. That's not a slam on the LT1 engine but a realistic observation on the year and mileage.

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Its called, the LS1 bandwagon.
So? It's called LS1tech But I would drop my LS1 for a LS7 in a heartbeat. Would that make me on the LS7 bandwagon or just someone who appreciates newer and faster motors?

Originally Posted by burnzilla
What? Don't try and spin this on me. Im not the one who got my panties in a bunch.
Jury is still out on this

Originally Posted by burnzilla
Those are nice times, but average for an LS1 with your mods.
For the money you spent buying your car and modding it, I could have made my LT1 run 11's, possibly 10's.
Then why didn't you? And for the money you could spend getting a LT1 into 10's a 5.0 Mustang can see 9's. What about the Civics?

Lets not bring money into this. That's a ricer argument anyway.
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Originally Posted by darrensls1
Then why didn't you? And for the money you could spend getting a LT1 into 10's a 5.0 Mustang can see 9's. What about the Civics?
Lets not bring money into this. That's a ricer argument anyway.
I agree, I didn't bring that up someone else did but I couldnt let it go.
And on a side note I do enjoy this because as long as people like you and others are mature about it, its rather fun.

And I wasn't trying to downplay the LS1 Bolt on Record time but I just noticed that, and it is kind of funny the way I said that!
And your bandwagon comment is absolutely true.

Listen, when I looked for an Fbody, I looked at 5 of them. One was a 98 SS.
But I have always wanted the LT1, thats what I grew up with. So I bought it, and saved myself from spending all my cash on car. I have 3 cars (the LT1 being the oldest), a fourwheeler, a new snowmobile and money in the bank. If I really wanted an LS1, I'd have one. I am not showboating, none of my stuff is gold... just trying to say.

I plan on getting an LS1 Firehawk or C5 Z06 sometime in the future, but I have always been content with my Z28. I am not an all out racer. But I just hate it when people **** on the LT1, because for its time it was a great powerplant and whats most impressive is that even today, in 2007, they are whoopin ***.

And the fact of the matter is, a taken care of bolt on LT1, can run with these newer cars, over 10 years later.
Thats what this is about.



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