02ZOh6

Well, I'm not in the Viper circle and therefore unbiased as I don't own any gen Viper.

00firebird

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the ACR looks way better if your srt10 is a vert which im sure it is as i can't think of too many harttop srt10s made prior to the 06 coupes. gts/acr body style pwns.

Killemall

Well Ive owned both..And both in the same color..

In the 1/4 mile stock for stock I think my rt10 could give my SRT10 a run for it's money......

The SRT10 dosent leave the line as hard as the rt10 could stock for stock..So even though the SRT10 would trapp a 2-3 mph higher I think the ET would be within 1-2 tenths with the SRT10 taking a slight victory..

But on a roll race from 70-140 forget about it..The 2003 SRT10 would pull the 1999 rt10 hard stock for stock..

RT10 0-150 = 22.0 seconds at best
SRT10 0-150 = 19.5 seconds at best

Visually the RT10/GTS look amzing in pictures and posters and such...Or even by the ocassional person who checks them out..

But when you own it you notice things..Like the

-hood and body fitment is horribly low standard even when adjusted it will still not be perfect

-The interior is dated and awkward, yet still exotic with the snake emblems and such..Maybe slightly better than a C5...But no wear near 75K worth

-the front end wich is so beautiful and low will scrape any and everything and make every day driving a pain

-The engine bay is just not what you were expecting

-The ride is very rough and the car is DANGEROUS..I almost wrecked mine within the first 24 hours ( though mastering it is quite fufilling I must admit)

-brakes plain SUCK

On the other hand the SRT10's look boring in pictures and on posters IMHO..

-But the fit and finish is Portshe like

-The interior is carressed in Italion leathers and sueade with a bright red start button and has the best seats Ive ever seen/sat in and you can tell it's an 80K interior

-The cars front end never scrapes and is easy to drive every day

-The engine bay is what you expected

-The ride is stiff but not rough and the car isnt nearly as akward as the pedals were shifted to be more in line with the driver ( the rt10/GTS are at a weird angle)..And this car is NOT Dangerous. You dont need to be a master to pull fastlap times..This car handles very well.. Turns that I slowed down on in the RT10 I speed up on in the SRT10..No BS...No exageration

-Brakes are the best Ive ever tried

After actually owning both in the same color I can honestly say i like my SRT10 better than my rt10 and to me it's more beautiful...Now an ACR...Ive seen them both side by side in the same color and I still like my SRT10 better...

After actually owning a gen2 I see all the faults ( like the 3000GT side mirrors)

If I had never owned a viper before though I would like the GTS more..Pics of them just look so NICE...But in real life it's SRT10 for me

capn smokey

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If you are impressed with your Viper, wait till you get a C6Z06.

Killemall

Seriously man...You just dont get it...

I have a..

-2003 Viper
-2001 Navigator
-2004 Nissan quest
-2005 Jeep

Not a high roller by any means...

But if I wanted a C6Z06 I could have one..Would I go spend 80K for a brand new one Hell NO...Only car I may spend that kinda money on in the next couple years is a Last year F360 ( slow but sex on wheels)....But I could have found a 2006 for low 60;s....

-Maybe I wanted an American exotic ( yes a bottom of the barral 83-90K exotic) but never the less an exotic instead of a 30K produced a year vette with the Z06 option checked on the options list

-Maybe I wanted a convertable that can hit 193 mph?

-Maybe I wanted an 83K interior instead of a 73K C6Z06 with a 45K base vette interior

-Maybe I wanted a car that they only made 6000 of from 2003-2006 Instead of a car that they made more than 6000 of in 2006 alone

-Maybe I wanted a car with hood vents and side exhaust that people stop and take pictures of ( just bad ***)

-Maybe I wanted A big lumpy 8.3 litre V10 with 510 HP and 535 TQ instead of a 7.0 litre with 505 HP and 470 TQ

-Maybe I just wanted to see peoples faces when they asked me what kinda car I have and I say Viper vrs Vette ( remember I already owned a brand new off the show room floor Vette and weather you have a base no optioned auto or a fully optioned Z06 to the average person your driving A Vette...

On he other hand people invite me to their homes just so there family can see the Viper...NO BS

Trust me I had my reasons..For what I paid for the SRT10 I could have picked many many other nice new/used cars..

But the Viper was the rarest and had the biggest engine and most mod friendly ( these SRT10's are hitting 650 rwhp with no other mod than a supercharger on the stock internals and drivetrain)

Again Ive had a vette before..I paid 50,500 for it in early 2004 and finally sold it in 2006 for only 34000 ( Even after the 5 K in modds)

The C6Z06 is awesome..But so was the C5Z06 back in 2002...Now you can pick up a 2002 C5Z06 for only 27K...

27000????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! The car was a low 50Kcar only 5 years ago..

Vettes just dont hold there value man..

On the other hand insurance gave me 41K for my wrecked 1999 rt10 Viper..

See the differance..

You can argue this in that all day. But as a guy who's already had a Vette and two Vipers I can guarantee you that a Viper is just a better financial move man..It's a VERY rare car and considered a low end exotic. This may not mean anything to you but when it comes time to sell, you'll realize just how much more VALUBLE a SRT10 Viper is than a Z06

Killemall

BTW CAPN smokey...Let me no when that bad *** 383 CI is ready man...Maybey Ill run you in my 502 CI, some time

Fadi

Ya, Vipers really hold thier value well, don't they? That is why today you can purchase a 2003, 85K Viper for low 50's.

The Vet and the Viper depreciate to the same percentage. A 2003 Z06 with low miles goes for around 33K right now. 2003 Viper with low miles go for around 53K.

Do the math and you will find out that both of them lost the same exact percentage of thier value (being 37%).

Snap out of the dream world son and back into reality. The reality where the C6 Z06 kicks the crap out of the current Viper and is so every slightly behind the 100 more horsepowered Viper..

CTSVSL65AMG

Hmmm...look and see what a 1992 Gen I will cost ya, with low miles...about 50K, if you can find one.......GEN III's drop in value as fast as a neon. Gen I and Gen II's are different.

Fadi

Killemall has a Gen III, not a Gen II..

02ZOh6

Spending 50k on a 92 when you can get an 03 for pretty much the same price. These cars are not even in the same league, I wouldn't even think twice. To hell with investment. Who wants to hold on to it that long anyway and not even drive it?

Killemall

BS..

NOBOBYS PAYING 33K for a 2003 c5Z06 man...Not even a 2004 c5Z06..Look in your local paper or go to Ebay and look at 27-30K all day...

As for the 2003 SRT10...Indeed it was 83K 5 years ago. Now they are 50-55K..

Look at any mercedes that was 83K-95K back in 2003 ( E55 AMG)..Now it's gonna be in the 40 to 46K ranges...( trust me I considered buying this over the SRT10)

Look at the 80K 2003 911's...Now those are mid 40's


And then look at the beloved gen 2 Viper GTS ( 2002) HMMM..Can you say 45-50K???

Even the Final edition ACR 2002 Vipers were a lil cheaper than the SRT10's.As these were in the 47-53 range

The point is that ALL Vipers hold there value very well..

CTSV you no I love you man but if you just go to EBAY you'll see that a 2003 SRT10 is wortha lil more than a 2002 gen 2 across the board...

And Fadi..Again..No one is paying 33K for a C5Z06 man...I think you'd have a hard time even getting 33K for a 2004 with the carbon fiber hood...HONESTLY

C5Z06's are around....

-25K for the 2001's ( If white add two thousand)
-27K for the 2002's
-28K for the 2003's
-30K for the 2004's

And for what ever reason if your cars silver deduct a thousand..

Across the board this is what you can expect to pay

Thats he problem with Vettes..There bad *** till the newest vette comes out and then they drop like a rock and no one cares..

Vipers are differant..If you roll up in even a 1993 Viper people are gonna take notice...

A 1997 C5 is worth around 15 grand..About a third of it's origional price

A 1996 GTS is worth around 35 grand...About 1/2 of it's origional price

allngn_c5

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blah blah blah blah

02ZOh6

[QUOTE=Killemall].
And when the new one comes out they will continue to decline. We're all losing money on cars. Vipers and Vettes a like.

Your numbers are correct for the most part. The issue here though is that that most vettes are driven more often than Vipers and tend to have higher mileage. It's not uncommon (proabably avg. really) to see an 02 Z06 with 40k on it. They are often used as daily drivers whereas Vipers aren't. Not many people are interested in higher mileage Vipers.

I don't really see that as a problem. It's evolution. We're lucky that GM is making the vette better all the time. Whereas the Viper, at least performance wise has only been marginally better over the last 10 years. I mean, when did they get abs? 2002?

That's funny. Honestly I was at a car meet about a month ago and there was a Viper there (94 I think and the only one), emerald green and no one was looking at it. Not to say there were more looking at mine either because that's not the case. The older muscle cars received most of the attention.
In any event, if you buy a car because you want more attention perhaps you have bigger problems than how much it's going to depreciate.

Fadi

Really? God, I love proving you wrong primarily because it is so easy..

Killemall sucks ***

Want me to show you more?

Viper and Vet both depreciate the same. Get over it.

Killemall

There are APROX. 30,000 Vipers in the world MAXIMUM from 1992-2007

There are APROX 120,000 C6's in the world from 2005-2008

You really think there gonna depreciate the same???

Come on man

A 2003 SRT10 was 83K and 5 model years later they still sell for around 53K..In the car world thats pretty freaking good man..

Im telling you.. Most cars that were 80K back in 2003 are now hovering around 40K..Look at the porshe's and mercedes man..

As well id put money on it that what I paid for my 2003 viper will be pretty close to what I sell it for a few years from now if I choose to sell...

ALSO..You think the 08's are gonna hurt the gen3's????

The cars look 95% identical..

When some one see's a 2008 and then there wallet/wife wont let them spend 90K for it..

That 2003 sitting right beside it in the same color thats looks 95% identical minus the hood and rims is gonna look like a hell of a bargain for 55K...

If they go out and drive it...It's not like 510 HP and 11.9 at 122 feels slow..

because they look so much alike I think the 08's are actually gonna help the older models.

Killemall

You can buy a 1997 C5 for 15K all day man...

The cheapest Viper of any year you could possibly find would be 27K..

They dont depreciate the same..

Ones a low budget exotic and the others a high budget sports car..

Dont forget that the Viper was and will always be Americas first exotic....And thats the way it depreciates...

Come on..Do you really think your gonna see SRT10 Vipers in the 30's within 5 years???

NO..

But you will see 2006 C6Z06's in the 30's 5 years from now..Thats the differance man

02ZOh6

[QUOTE=Killemall]

YOU BOUGHT A 4 -YEAR OLD MODEL!!!!!!

Seriously Laron. I consider you a friend bro but be realisitc here. If I were to buy an 02 C5Z today for let's say 27-30k. In 4 years I bet I could still get 20k for it if mileage was good and the condition was great. I lost 7-10k. Not too shabby.

Oh boy. Tell that to all the 01Z06 buyers who were pissed when the 02 came out with 20 more horse and those badges on the fender. Who the hell is going to notice 20hp? Not me. But, I'll bet more than a few guys sold their 01's to go to an 02-04.
Now, the Viper has 100hp more. Trust me, people with money want the latest and greatest. Why were people paying 15k over sticker for the new Z? It's only another 100hp jump fromt the C6, minus the hood and rims.lol.

Slow Vette

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damn killemall, just give it a rest...a 2003 Z06 with low miles goes for 35k.... not bad for a 4 year old model loosing 15k in depreciation, while your viper lost 30k
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...0000&cardist=8
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...0000&cardist=8

Killemall

Come on guys..Are you really gonna argue with me that a vette depreciates the same as a viper?????

My 2004 coupe was 50500..

I guararntee now that the owner couldnt get more than 29K MAX for it...I was lucky to get 33K for it 14 months ago..Very lucky...

I guess the bottom line to me is that the Viper is just worth a lot more..For what a 2003 Viper is worth you could buy a brand new 2008 coupe C6 with all the bells in whistles..

The differance is that 5 years from now the 2003 viper would be worth 45K and the 2008 vette will be worth 30K..

Thats just the way I see it.....Yea all cars loose money. But the vette killed me more than any other..While my viper made me money..

2004 C5..Bought in march of 2004 for 50.5k..sold in SEP of 2006 for 33K

1999 Viper..bought in sep of 2006 for 39K...sold in Aug of 2007 for 41k

TO ME THE DIFFERANCE IS JUST HUGE.....

I remember when the used C5Z06 was a 40K car...Then when the C6Z06 came out suddenly 12.4 at 117 mph was old school and the car dropped to 27-33K...????

02ZOh6

Again. If you would have bought the Viper new you would have lost 35k by now. When you buy new, your going to take a big loss. Viper or vette.