98 TA vs Cobalt SS Stage 2
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you would expect some times like that but they are very hard to get in those cars becuase they get absolutely no traction. my buddy is in a Cobalt SS car club here in phoenix and the fastest time a cobalt has ever ran in arizona is a 13.6 something like that. there are stage 3+ cobalts with almost 300 horses running 14.00's consistently cause they just cant hook up. my buddy has a 2.7" pullie which is a drag pullie (illegal on the streets) and he has k&n intake a great tune from a local SS guy exhuast and 42 lbs injectors and his aeroforce gauge is saying he has about 295 crank horse and the best time he has ran was a 14.1. and in order for those cobalts to get traction IE some sticky tires they need new axles because the axles the car comes with stock are skinnier than your D*CK when you come out of the woom(terrible sp*)
i actually think they are a pretty nice car and all becuase when my buddies not on the throttle he is getting something like 30+ mpg's on the highway. they do have their downfalls thou which every car does, they just need quiet a few drivetrain/traction mods before they can really hook up. just my 2cents and im sure ill get bashed a little but hey whatev.
and also to john, 20 pounds per wheel is a sh*t load of rotational mass. you just added 40 pounds of rotational mass to your rear drive tires and if i remember correctly reading somewhere on this site, rotational mass 10lbs= something like 50 pounds dead weigh. so you really just added something like 200 lbs of dead weight to your car which would make you run .2 or more slower. not ripping on you or anything cause you did say you had a set of stickies on the 16's. but nice race good kill op.
i actually think they are a pretty nice car and all becuase when my buddies not on the throttle he is getting something like 30+ mpg's on the highway. they do have their downfalls thou which every car does, they just need quiet a few drivetrain/traction mods before they can really hook up. just my 2cents and im sure ill get bashed a little but hey whatev.
and also to john, 20 pounds per wheel is a sh*t load of rotational mass. you just added 40 pounds of rotational mass to your rear drive tires and if i remember correctly reading somewhere on this site, rotational mass 10lbs= something like 50 pounds dead weigh. so you really just added something like 200 lbs of dead weight to your car which would make you run .2 or more slower. not ripping on you or anything cause you did say you had a set of stickies on the 16's. but nice race good kill op.
ok first off if he is running a 2.7 pulley (drag pulley LMFAO) he is an idiot for running 42# injectors, i am running the GM 3.06 pulley and the 42's and my injectors are static at 5800rpm in 3rd, so i dont even want to see his AFR or IDC... and an illegal pulley ROFL!
and actually the axles arent half bad if you eliminate wheel hop and huge clutch dumps. i have broken two, one was with my dr's and a 5 grand dump, the other was on streets with a 5 grand dump. there are plenty of guys running high HP numbers with no problems.
how do you get 40 extra pounds of rot. mass when he has 20 extra lbs on four corners??? pretty sure thats 80 unless he converted it into a motorcycle.
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Hey LS1Tech I'm the one who owns the Cobalt SS S/C in the video.
The ricer pic is refrencing a bet me and John2005 had before the race.
Alot of the guys over at CobaltSS.net had made fun of the 20's on the Trans Am so the joke bet was If I was able to keep 6 or less cars on him. If I lost I had to go on the forums and say all Cobalts suck.
So as I was able to stay less than 6 cars behind him I won the bet.
The ricer pic is John pointing at his rims like a ricer.
The ricer pic is refrencing a bet me and John2005 had before the race.
Alot of the guys over at CobaltSS.net had made fun of the 20's on the Trans Am so the joke bet was If I was able to keep 6 or less cars on him. If I lost I had to go on the forums and say all Cobalts suck.
So as I was able to stay less than 6 cars behind him I won the bet.
The ricer pic is John pointing at his rims like a ricer.
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this post... WOW.
ok first off if he is running a 2.7 pulley (drag pulley LMFAO) he is an idiot for running 42# injectors, i am running the GM 3.06 pulley and the 42's and my injectors are static at 5800rpm in 3rd, so i dont even want to see his AFR or IDC... and an illegal pulley ROFL!
and actually the axles arent half bad if you eliminate wheel hop and huge clutch dumps. i have broken two, one was with my dr's and a 5 grand dump, the other was on streets with a 5 grand dump. there are plenty of guys running high HP numbers with no problems.
how do you get 40 extra pounds of rot. mass when he has 20 extra lbs on four corners??? pretty sure thats 80 unless he converted it into a motorcycle.
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
ok first off if he is running a 2.7 pulley (drag pulley LMFAO) he is an idiot for running 42# injectors, i am running the GM 3.06 pulley and the 42's and my injectors are static at 5800rpm in 3rd, so i dont even want to see his AFR or IDC... and an illegal pulley ROFL!
and actually the axles arent half bad if you eliminate wheel hop and huge clutch dumps. i have broken two, one was with my dr's and a 5 grand dump, the other was on streets with a 5 grand dump. there are plenty of guys running high HP numbers with no problems.
how do you get 40 extra pounds of rot. mass when he has 20 extra lbs on four corners??? pretty sure thats 80 unless he converted it into a motorcycle.
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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^^ HAHAHA nice one. I was just getting annoyed and stopped watching the vid after the first roll race.
And yes to back up whoever stated that 1lb. of rotational mass = 8lbs dead wieght. That is correct.
So 80lbs x 8 = 640lbs.
Assuming your car weighs the same as mine (before the rims of course) 3460lbs. You would weigh in at a staggering 4100 theoretical pounds.
Found this spread sheet that has all the math worked out.
http://www.mazda6tech.com/files/wheel_inertia.xls
It says that you are using about 38ft lbs. of torque just to turn those ******* from a stop.
And yes to back up whoever stated that 1lb. of rotational mass = 8lbs dead wieght. That is correct.
So 80lbs x 8 = 640lbs.
Assuming your car weighs the same as mine (before the rims of course) 3460lbs. You would weigh in at a staggering 4100 theoretical pounds.
Found this spread sheet that has all the math worked out.
http://www.mazda6tech.com/files/wheel_inertia.xls
It says that you are using about 38ft lbs. of torque just to turn those ******* from a stop.
Last edited by Adriana Lover; 12-26-2007 at 06:49 PM.
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and yes the stage 2 comes with 42's................. on a 3.06 pulley. 42's arent even adequate on that pulley, imagine on a 2.7...
and yes cobalts run slow at the track because the majority of the owners think adding more power is their cure for slow track times, when they already cant get the car to hook.
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Amen, Yes the cobalts are a pain to hook.
Best bet is a solid engine and transmission mount, Better tires than the crappy P-Zero Rosso's that come with it, and some traction mods.
Best bet is a solid engine and transmission mount, Better tires than the crappy P-Zero Rosso's that come with it, and some traction mods.
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ya i was just being optimistic for him lol. the best ive seen out of the was low 14s but thats pretty much stock im sure. as for the rotational mass thing, i would hate to know how bad my wheels affect my car. i have 20x10 and 20x8.6 my rear wheels weigh 54lbs a piece without a tire and my fronts weigh46lbs. i need some 15s lol
I'm not saying you CAN'T get the large stuff to hook, it's just harder.
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ya its true. i run 285 nittor 555r which is a decent tire but with it bn a hard 20" tire it doesnt hook for crap. i make decent pwr. but not enough that i should be breaking loose at 60 in 3rd from rolling starts. but it does EVERY time
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if you put in some higher gears (lower numerically), it will help you hook a bit, as well as load the turbo and likely make it spool quicker...
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it came factory with 3.55 gears and i put 3.90 gears in befor i knew i was goin turbo. i really would like to put the 3.55 back in just so i could stay in boost longer and i run out of gear with the 3.90 in about 1200ft-1250ft so before the 1/4
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right... I had 4:10's when i was H/C/I and wanted to go with 3:23's but ended up with 3:08's (no one makes 3:23's for a moser 12bolt).. I am very pleased with them... help spool my 59mm turbos very quickly and obviously last forever... can't complain that 2nd gear goes 95mph... these gears combined with ET Streets mounted on 16" chrome T/A wheels, and the car will dead-hook in 2nd gear at my power level... it makes for a pretty wicked ride!
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It's best to say cobalts are way better from a roll then from a dig.
To many factors cause the cobalt not to hook from a dig
From a roll with a few mods they give good comp to f bodys
My 2 cents
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I can't stand when people pull sh*t like that. If your going to race, do it right, without using stupid little "tricks." If you win, what satisfaction do you get by cheating? You really don't prove anything.
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i consider alot of mods anything more than a cai, pully,inj, tune,and exhaust which is about what a cobalt needs to compete with a lt1
so pretty much stage 2 cobalt=lt1
more mods than stage 2 =ls1
so pretty much stage 2 cobalt=lt1
more mods than stage 2 =ls1
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A FWD car with a positive displacement blower = hello 2.5+ '60's.
It takes a considerably modded cobalt to hang with an F-body, FRUMROLL.