stock 350z kills stock ws6
04-18-2008, 03:49 PM
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My opinion is that if US automakers want me to spend my hard-earned money on buying a new car from them, they need to make something that I WANT to buy. If I wanted a fullsized SUV, I'd most likely get a new Suburban or Tahoe, because I believe they are the best in their class. But we'll see about that when the next Titan comes out. If I wanted a half-ton truck I would get a Titan (personal preference), but anything heavier duty than that would be one of the new Ford Super Duty trucks. IMO The Quest and Odyssey are the best minivans out there. Compact trucks, Nissan/Toyota. I refuse to blindly support something because of where it comes from, even if it's my own country. Doing so does a dis-service to the industry IMO, because it does not force them to make the best product they can.
I.E.; when they DO make not only "the best product they can", but one that is superior to the Nippon competition??
What's your answer as to why the brainwashed sheeple will keep on buying their beloved, 'perfect'<--
f'ing Camrys anyway, for a higher price no less????!!!! 
04-18-2008, 06:13 PM
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And then what??
I.E.; when they DO make not only "the best product they can", but one that is superior to the Nippon competition??
What's your answer as to why the brainwashed sheeple will keep on buying their beloved, 'perfect'<-- f'ing Camrys anyway, for a higher price no less????!!!!
I.E.; when they DO make not only "the best product they can", but one that is superior to the Nippon competition??
What's your answer as to why the brainwashed sheeple will keep on buying their beloved, 'perfect'<--
f'ing Camrys anyway, for a higher price no less????!!!!) cars. BUT. There is no history of Malibus being good cars. Just like there is no history of the Cobalt being good cars. In the case of the Cobalts, there's actually evidence to the contrary (ie; Cavalier). For the past 2 decades or so, people see a Honda with 200k+ miles and don't think anything about it. My mom bought a '91 Legend new, and sold it in '98 with 245k miles. Still running fine. My dad had an '87 Accord that he sold in '00 with 235k miles. Still running fine. My first car was a '94 Integra GS-R that I BOUGHT with 134k miles, and I sold it with 193k on it. Still running like a top. So in 5-10 years when (if?) you see some of these great-looking new domestics chugging along with 150k+ on the clocks and minimal problems, then public opinion will change. Until then, some people are a bit wary and brand-loyal.
04-19-2008, 12:58 AM
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I've seen magazines tests as low as 11.5 for the GT-R... don't tell me to "do some research" . And yes, it was designed for track racing. Just like the Z06. Up until this year, Formula 1 cars had "every driver aid imaginable" as well. It gets the job done, and does it quite well.
The launch control is insane. I'm not sure which I would pick, as I don't have $70-$80k to blow on a "toy."
Looks to be in the $70-$75k range.
. And yes, it was designed for track racing. Just like the Z06. Up until this year, Formula 1 cars had "every driver aid imaginable" as well. It gets the job done, and does it quite well.The launch control is insane. I'm not sure which I would pick, as I don't have $70-$80k to blow on a "toy."
Looks to be in the $70-$75k range.
As far as the F1 example, it isn't valid. They all have the same layout, not racing against lighter, more powerful cars. The AWD, which is its key to it's performance, would probably have to be removed.
It won't be competitive in its current form in racing. It is however, an awesome Grand Tourer.
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04-19-2008, 01:07 AM
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The 11.5 (125mph trap) was with a Spec-V motor. It was never designed to be in a sanctioned racing class and in it's current configuration, probably never will. Too heavy. Take out the AWD which is its key to racing performance, and it's weight distribution gets thrown off as well.
It won't be competitive in its current form in racing.
It won't be competitive in its current form in racing.
04-19-2008, 03:19 PM
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Yep... Ranger Armstrong was the first in the 10s, but he was on drag radials. If I recall, the quickest SHOWROOM STOCK Z06 is currently 10.80, compared to Ranger's 10.85. And I'm sure there are others as well.
04-19-2008, 04:10 PM
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Lol this is just funy my stock lt1 m6 just has blow master cat back and k&n cai I have raced raced a 350z but was playing around 40 to 90 ish with one and I was pulling pretty bad.. It was just a "intake exhaust" 350z
04-19-2008, 10:34 PM
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i belive there was an f-body that went high 11s stock?? I could be incorrect..
my car stock.. tires and clutch 00 z28 best was 8.46@84mph 13.00@107 due to my lack of 60 ft times ..i stayed around 202 to a 199...
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04-20-2008, 12:09 AM
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I agree... The driver mod has allot to do with it ... and dont for get those factory freaks...
i belive there was an f-body that went high 11s stock?? I could be incorrect..
my car stock.. tires and clutch 00 z28 best was 8.46@84mph 13.00@107 due to my lack of 60 ft times ..i stayed around 202 to a 199...
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i belive there was an f-body that went high 11s stock?? I could be incorrect..
my car stock.. tires and clutch 00 z28 best was 8.46@84mph 13.00@107 due to my lack of 60 ft times ..i stayed around 202 to a 199...
2cents
04-25-2008, 10:29 AM
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I've seen several mid-high 11s tests, of regular GT-Rs. And I never said it was designed to be in a sanctioned racing class... I said it was designed to go around race tracks. Quickly. Which is does, even though it weighs 3900lbs. And I won't even address the "take out the AWD" thing, since the GT-Rs have used AWD since the 80s...
Point about AWD is that is it's key advantage. To get significantly lighter, that would have to be taken out. Skylines were lighter to begin with, not competing against cars 700lbs lighter....
04-26-2008, 01:59 AM
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I agree... The driver mod has allot to do with it ... and dont for get those factory freaks...
i belive there was an f-body that went high 11s stock?? I could be incorrect..
my car stock.. tires and clutch 00 z28 best was 8.46@84mph 13.00@107 due to my lack of 60 ft times ..i stayed around 202 to a 199...
2cents
i belive there was an f-body that went high 11s stock?? I could be incorrect..
my car stock.. tires and clutch 00 z28 best was 8.46@84mph 13.00@107 due to my lack of 60 ft times ..i stayed around 202 to a 199...
2cents