JD_AMG

So do you own a fbody right now or not?
And I already covered the handling issue, its lack of shocks. If you currently own an Fbody throw on some Konis and your jaw will drop.
I have never seen any articles on WS6's vs other fbodies, do you have any?

And Im still waiting for an explanation of how this is relevant to performance.

Paint_It_Black

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I lol'd at the notion of the new nissan gtr or w/e being better than a Z06.. it won't even sniff a Zr1.. the Z06 is still almost a full second quicker in the 1/4 and the gtr needed non-oem soft compound tires to beat the Z06 time at the ring, when the Z06 did it on factory radials..

thatboyvic

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maybe i was off topic an irrelevant with that statement jd. lol yes i do own an 00 camaro.. the gt-r is far more advanced then a z06... i didnt know the details on the tires. thanks for the information

ASkipper

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Don't count all the 350z's out guys I ran into one this past weekend and he was putting down over 400hp to the wheels. He had a turbo kit on the car pushing like 8lbs of boost. I ran him with my car and could only put about 1 length on him. I am a little over 400hp myself and I am an A4 and had 2 passengers and he was alone. He only wanted to run from a 55 roll. HE was also a 07'

Irunelevens

See the new GT-R V-spec yet? Around 70hp more, and about 330lbs lighter. Ran a 7:25 at the Ring

Super28Sport

Yea they are saying now that that's way faster than the ZR1 supposed times. This could get interesting... wonder how many other factors will add into that equation, such as cost of the V spec compared to the ZR1 and such...

thatboyvic

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i cant wait for that issue of car and driver lol....

Paint_It_Black

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Was that run on race compound tires too? I wouldn't be suprised if it was since they bolted up some cut slicks to the GTR in order to beat the Z06's time. Those japs are sneaky.

Here's the article when the GTR's chief engineer says all about it:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...?f=23&t=455380

They cheated. I'll be laughing when they finally post the times done with OEM tires.. like the Z06 did! They also didn't start from a stop like other cars, they didn't run a full lap like the other cars, stopping on the closeside of the pit area.

Here's a little talk about it: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...k-tires-56638/

Deuuuce

+1. That 7:25 time is BS - and unofficial. The Zonda has the street car record and even in Spec-V trim it couldn't hope to come close to a Carrera GT.

I'm pretty certain the 7:38 was WITH the Spec-V motor, same car that trapped 124mph in C&D. Yet a production version trapped 116mph in R&T and the same car 118mph at Sac. All that hype turned out to be marketing crap. Great car, but not as fast as some made it out to be.

Deuuuce

Nice ETs, what were the trap speeds though?

True, a Nismo may not even ET as well as an '07 - the stiffer suspension could make it tougher to launch. If it weighs more or is less aerodynamic, that wouldn't help...

C5_vette

they ranged from 104-107mph

also as for the GTR (not the V-spec) from all the tests and everythig I have read, it is indeed faster than the Z06 and the 997TT, just watch some videos.. that car has so much grip through the corners its unreal....

as much as it killed me to see the Z06 lose.. it did, and the GTR deserves respect... even the vette guys have come to terms with it...

it pulled a time of 1:56.9 @ Buttonwillow riding on dunlop sp sport 600 tires (which are OE equipment on the WRX STi)

vs. the 997tt time of 2:02.1 and the Z06 time of 2:02.2

tires are not going to make up that difference for the z06( riding on goodyears), and the porsche was on ps2's which are excellent tires.....

and no one is questioning the GTR's (non spec-v) 'ring time at this point... also all the Porsches run the 'ring with compound tires and from a roll... and the GTR put down its time on a damp track...

thatboyvic

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yeah kinda like those srt-8 chargers

Irunelevens

But, but, but... it's not a Chevy . So many haters in this thread. The new GT-R is a GREAT car people. 475whp is nothing to sneeze at, and if the V-spec has 70hp more, and 330lbs less, why would that make its times unbelievable?

OKcruising

Because it's overhyped to the point of nausea, thats why I hate the damn car.

and until I see parity between comparisons, I'll still nag.

And I'm just begging at the chance to catch a GTR owner who runs his mouth off about the handling...

Tires make a HUGE difference. They alter everything from sensory perception, attainable grip levels, to vehicle character.

Irunelevens

So you hate the car... because of what other people think about it? That seems a bit childish.

ballhawkdawk

That's a pretty dumbed down version of what he said. If you have to constantly hear how awesome product X is and feel that it's not as good as advertised, you'd probably get sick of it too. At least I would.

Irunelevens

Yes, but that shouldn't affect your opinion of the car.

Cgillies86

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Looks like 430ish wheel horsepower to me.

Here is the link:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gt_r_dyno_test

C5_vette

At Buttonwillow the GTR was running Dunlop sp sport 600 tires which are all season tiress... and it beat the Z06 and 997 by a ridiculous margin...

so stop brining up the tires... on the 'ring its a bit more justified, but lots of companies run r compund tires...

and even if the Z06 did there is no way it would make up the time difference yea there was alot of hype about the GTR, but it turned out to be justified.....

Irunelevens

Like that test said, dyno numbers have been all over the place, and that's still just one test. But even they say that on the "hyper-conservative" end of horsepower estimates, the GT-R makes nearly 510hp at the crank. Their estimates go as high as 550hp at the crank. So the V-spec being 330lbs lighter and 70hp stronger means it's gonna be a FAST car. Period.