02 Z28 vs 05+ Stang GT
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Ok Well to clarify for jawsgt and 2k05gt unless you'r racing one of these two guy's who aparently are the exception
then most 05+ gt's are nothing to worry about for a stock f-body...
And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
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And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
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TOTAL BS..
I have a Stock S197 with Stock Motor and Automatic Tranny with just bolt-ons and I run Consistant 12.5's Best time 12.41 @ 109.35 mph.
Intake, Tune, LT Headers, gears Major Mods
UDP, CMDP, Aluminum DS, Che LCA Minor Mods.
thats my complete list.
I ran 13.3's with just Intake and Gears and best Stock times 13.6's
Don't base your perception on a car by one CRAPPY driver.
Here are my time slips
I am 5197
# 28 2004 Corvette (Stock)
# 821 2006 Mustang (Instake and Tune M5)
# 853 2005 GTO (Exhaust, ???)
I have a Stock S197 with Stock Motor and Automatic Tranny with just bolt-ons and I run Consistant 12.5's Best time 12.41 @ 109.35 mph.
Intake, Tune, LT Headers, gears Major Mods
UDP, CMDP, Aluminum DS, Che LCA Minor Mods.
thats my complete list.
I ran 13.3's with just Intake and Gears and best Stock times 13.6's
Don't base your perception on a car by one CRAPPY driver.
Here are my time slips
I am 5197
# 28 2004 Corvette (Stock)
# 821 2006 Mustang (Instake and Tune M5)
# 853 2005 GTO (Exhaust, ???)
05+ gt's are definately nice cars though, wish someone around here had one and actually knew how to drive it.
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We raced numerous times and I would always pull away slowly when I got traction but I didn't pull from him like I thought I would. Those GT's really wake up with a tune.
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Ok Well to clarify for jawsgt and 2k05gt unless you'r racing one of these two guy's who aparently are the exception
then most 05+ gt's are nothing to worry about for a stock f-body...
And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
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And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
btw nice kill OP
TOTAL BS..
I have a Stock S197 with Stock Motor and Automatic Tranny with just bolt-ons and I run Consistant 12.5's Best time 12.41 @ 109.35 mph.
Intake, Tune, LT Headers, gears Major Mods
UDP, CMDP, Aluminum DS, Che LCA Minor Mods.
thats my complete list.
I ran 13.3's with just Intake and Gears and best Stock times 13.6's
Don't base your perception on a car by one CRAPPY driver.
I have a Stock S197 with Stock Motor and Automatic Tranny with just bolt-ons and I run Consistant 12.5's Best time 12.41 @ 109.35 mph.
Intake, Tune, LT Headers, gears Major Mods
UDP, CMDP, Aluminum DS, Che LCA Minor Mods.
thats my complete list.
I ran 13.3's with just Intake and Gears and best Stock times 13.6's
Don't base your perception on a car by one CRAPPY driver.
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My trap speed is lower because I run a 275 40 17 BFG Drag Radial, they are a short tire, 25" tall the stock height is 27 with my 4.10 gears and the short tires my acual ratio is close to 4.30.
you can see the difference compaired to the stock tires here
![](http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/TireRack4.jpg)
I could see better 60' times if I get a stall, the stock stall is only 1800. that can gut another 3 to 4 tenths off my times so I could see 11's easy.
I have several friends that run 12's all day long with bolt ons here are several S197 mustangs running sub 12.5 and 11's with just bolt ons N/A,
Check out Spyder in Maryland
I race with him alot he runs 11's with bolt ons
Rench 2006 Mustang GT N/A 0 1.690 7.712 @ 90.34 MPH 12.037 @ 113.78 MPH
blackblurr2007 Mustang GT N/A 315 1.620 7.800 @ 89.44 MPH 12.293 @ 111.42 MPH
JimIII@JDM Mustang GT Auto N/A 11.649 @ 113 mph
These are friends that are 12.9 or below that belong to the Northern Virginia Mustang Club Members
Marcspaz 12.8
Boss281 12.6
On Mustang Forums.com
vsop 2007 Mustang GT/CS Coupe N/A 321.79 1.454 7.785 @ 86.58 MPH 12.686 @ 109.38 MPH
nautiluscont 2005 Mustang GT N/A 308 1.700 8.143 @ 83.8 MPH 12.700 @ 107.61 MPH
Fool4Parts 2008 GT N/A 0 1.714 8.146 @ 84.98 MPH 12.752 @ 107.02 MPH
Sleeper05 2005 Mustang GT N/A 306 1.967 8.254 @ 85.759 MPH 12.779 @ 108.755 MPH
Twister086 2005 Mustang GT N/A 300 1.795 8.231 @ 84.83 MPH 12.805 @ 107.8 MPH
757GT 2005 Mustang GT N/A 287 1.930 8.240 @ 86.46 MPH 12.820 @ 107.48 MPH
Burton9104 2005 Ford Mustang N/A 300 1.970 0.000 @ 0 MPH 12.910 @ 108.2 MPH
millertyme4lyfe 05 GT 5spd N/A 0 1.970 8.394 @ 85.71 MPH 12.920 @ 108.12 MPH
2005mach1 2005 mustang GT N/A 299.9 1.940 8.320 @ 25.34 MPH 12.960 @ 105.3 MPH
Gene K 2007 Mustang GT Deluxe N/A 290 2.020 8.382 @ 85.11 MPH 12.973 @ 107.09 MPH
Havoc06 2006 Mustnag GT N/A 271 1.815 8.309 @ 83.36 MPH 12.994 @ 104.75 MPH
these are friends around the US I know in the 12's
Anticubicle
fordracing
edyuly
silvrS197
Graigels
(the list got to big so I gave up listing them here)
here is another list of bolt on N/A S197
![](http://www.2005stang.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10330/S197Timeslips06082008.jpg)
There are sites like https://S197forum.com that have some pretty fast S197 Mustangs on there.
Some Supercharged and some N/A
Last year I ran 12.8 with just intake, tune, gears, UDP, LCA
and I have an Automatic, a manual can do it with just intake and tune, My car is not a factory freak, you just need to find the right combo of bolt ons.
Here is the video ....
http://www.youtube.com/v/j2sj72uFsVg&hl=en
There is no need for us to go and brag on the mustang sites because there are plenty that are faster than us. I could go on and on but I am tired so search for yourself there are plenty out there remove your blinders for a moment.
I know that a 5.7 or 6.0 motor will perform better, no replacment for displacment
I agree, the Ls1 / Ls2 would run faster than a mustang with the same mods, that would only make sense.
The LSx Motors are the best engines built to date I agree, Yes the Mustang has always been underpowered, I agree, The Camaro will always be faster than the Mustang mod for mod, I agree..
but don't hate on the fact that without the new mustang the Camaro would not be coming back, or the challanger may not have been built or that the muscle car era may have died and rice would have taken over. the mustang has been carrying the Mustle car banner even in the camaro absence. it's the longest running car without interuption in production, (the corvette was not built in 1983 or it would have been the longest) give it some respect
you can see the difference compaired to the stock tires here
![](http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/2k05gt/MUSTANG/TireRack4.jpg)
I could see better 60' times if I get a stall, the stock stall is only 1800. that can gut another 3 to 4 tenths off my times so I could see 11's easy.
Ok Well to clarify for jawsgt and 2k05gt unless you'r racing one of these two guy's who aparently are the exception
then most 05+ gt's are nothing to worry about for a stock f-body...
And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
![Icon Rolleyes](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies2/icon_rolleyes.gif)
And to 2k05gt dont tell me my post is complete b.s. just because you'r car is the exception! I've personally witnessed over 20 TRACK passes on 3 seperate occasions and weather conditions from this gt and none of them were quicker than a 13.2 @ 105, and as for the shitty driver excuse incase you didnt catch it the first time ITS A AUTOMATIC and he was dead hooking. Just because this is one of the only modded new edge stangs i've seen run and it happens to be slow does not make it b.s. Otherwise one could say the same about you! How many friends with gt's do you have that run mid 12's with just boltons???
Looks like you guy's got yourselves factory freaks there, good job, now why dont you go brag about it on ur mustang forums!
Check out Spyder in Maryland
I race with him alot he runs 11's with bolt ons
Rench 2006 Mustang GT N/A 0 1.690 7.712 @ 90.34 MPH 12.037 @ 113.78 MPH
blackblurr2007 Mustang GT N/A 315 1.620 7.800 @ 89.44 MPH 12.293 @ 111.42 MPH
JimIII@JDM Mustang GT Auto N/A 11.649 @ 113 mph
These are friends that are 12.9 or below that belong to the Northern Virginia Mustang Club Members
Marcspaz 12.8
Boss281 12.6
On Mustang Forums.com
vsop 2007 Mustang GT/CS Coupe N/A 321.79 1.454 7.785 @ 86.58 MPH 12.686 @ 109.38 MPH
nautiluscont 2005 Mustang GT N/A 308 1.700 8.143 @ 83.8 MPH 12.700 @ 107.61 MPH
Fool4Parts 2008 GT N/A 0 1.714 8.146 @ 84.98 MPH 12.752 @ 107.02 MPH
Sleeper05 2005 Mustang GT N/A 306 1.967 8.254 @ 85.759 MPH 12.779 @ 108.755 MPH
Twister086 2005 Mustang GT N/A 300 1.795 8.231 @ 84.83 MPH 12.805 @ 107.8 MPH
757GT 2005 Mustang GT N/A 287 1.930 8.240 @ 86.46 MPH 12.820 @ 107.48 MPH
Burton9104 2005 Ford Mustang N/A 300 1.970 0.000 @ 0 MPH 12.910 @ 108.2 MPH
millertyme4lyfe 05 GT 5spd N/A 0 1.970 8.394 @ 85.71 MPH 12.920 @ 108.12 MPH
2005mach1 2005 mustang GT N/A 299.9 1.940 8.320 @ 25.34 MPH 12.960 @ 105.3 MPH
Gene K 2007 Mustang GT Deluxe N/A 290 2.020 8.382 @ 85.11 MPH 12.973 @ 107.09 MPH
Havoc06 2006 Mustnag GT N/A 271 1.815 8.309 @ 83.36 MPH 12.994 @ 104.75 MPH
these are friends around the US I know in the 12's
Anticubicle
fordracing
edyuly
silvrS197
Graigels
(the list got to big so I gave up listing them here)
here is another list of bolt on N/A S197
![](http://www.2005stang.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10330/S197Timeslips06082008.jpg)
There are sites like https://S197forum.com that have some pretty fast S197 Mustangs on there.
Some Supercharged and some N/A
Last year I ran 12.8 with just intake, tune, gears, UDP, LCA
and I have an Automatic, a manual can do it with just intake and tune, My car is not a factory freak, you just need to find the right combo of bolt ons.
Here is the video ....
http://www.youtube.com/v/j2sj72uFsVg&hl=en
There is no need for us to go and brag on the mustang sites because there are plenty that are faster than us. I could go on and on but I am tired so search for yourself there are plenty out there remove your blinders for a moment.
I know that a 5.7 or 6.0 motor will perform better, no replacment for displacment
I agree, the Ls1 / Ls2 would run faster than a mustang with the same mods, that would only make sense.
The LSx Motors are the best engines built to date I agree, Yes the Mustang has always been underpowered, I agree, The Camaro will always be faster than the Mustang mod for mod, I agree..
but don't hate on the fact that without the new mustang the Camaro would not be coming back, or the challanger may not have been built or that the muscle car era may have died and rice would have taken over. the mustang has been carrying the Mustle car banner even in the camaro absence. it's the longest running car without interuption in production, (the corvette was not built in 1983 or it would have been the longest) give it some respect
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Wow that was alot of info bud, I see there are some fast bolt on gt's in the country just not around me... And unless I see weight reductions lists those numbers dont mean a whole lot... but I dont care that much so no I dont want to see them... And no i'm not going to bother posting the fastest na f-body's list... though someone else can If their feelin like stirrin the pot some more.... But on the following points I would have to say................
Agreed...
Agreed...
Agreed...
And until GM comes out with a 5th gen T/A because of the mustang I dont really care...
I know that a 5.7 or 6.0 motor will perform better, no replacment for displacment
I agree, the Ls1 / Ls2 would run faster than a mustang with the same mods, that would only make sense.
The LSx Motors are the best engines built to date I agree, Yes the Mustang has always been underpowered, I agree, The Camaro will always be faster than the Mustang mod for mod, I agree..
but don't hate on the fact that without the new mustang the Camaro would not be coming back, or the challanger may not have been built or that the muscle car era may have died and rice would have taken over. the mustang has been carrying the Mustle car banner even in the camaro absence. it's the longest running car without interuption in production, (the corvette was not built in 1983 or it would have been the longest) give it some respect
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I could see better 60' times if I get a stall, the stock stall is only 1800. that can gut another 3 to 4 tenths off my times so I could see 11's easy.
I have several friends that run 12's all day long with bolt ons here are several S197 mustangs running sub 12.5 and 11's with just bolt ons N/A
I have several friends that run 12's all day long with bolt ons here are several S197 mustangs running sub 12.5 and 11's with just bolt ons N/A
with a huge stall and gears like 4.10 yeah your gonna be mid 12's if your a good driver. what was your 1/4 time with just intake and exhaust on stock gears? don't get me wrong i'm not bein a dick i am tryin to learn about other cars also, i don't bad mouth ford's all the time lol
wes you forgot his GT has LCA's also and he's lowered
i personally don't consider gears a bolt on . . . but thats just me. when i think of bolt-ons i think of intake and exhaust, when a dyno is needed to recalibrate things i see it as being past a bolt on
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No Stall Stock Tranny..
N/A means Normally or Naturally Asperated, I know these cars and people some just can not afford to go FI and there are some us that refuse to use Nitrous.
True on the gears. Now on My Progress on mods went like this
best times:
Stock - 13.8
Intake w/tune - 13.5
removed 3.31 gears and installed 4.10's - 13.3
added Under Drive Pullies and DR's - 13.2
Lower Control Arms - 13.1
Added Charge Motion Delete Plates - 12.9
One Peice aluminum Driveshaft and 12.8
added Long tube headers (In conjuction with CMDP more air) 12.41
Most have seen times with a stall (helps with the 60') 3-4 tenths
of course a turbo or supercharger is easier but you put the stock motor at risk
since ford decided not to forge the internals like the V6
these mods on the S197 need a tune :
Intake (other than the K&N)
Charge Motion Delete Plates
Headers
Gears (speedo)
any off road pipe (O2 Sensor)
Axle back Muffers do Nothing for HP or Times, they are for Sound Only..
with a huge stall and gears like 4.10 yeah your gonna be mid 12's if your a good driver. what was your 1/4 time with just intake and exhaust on stock gears? don't get me wrong i'm not bein a dick i am tryin to learn about other cars also, i don't bad mouth ford's all the time lol
here wes i fixed it for ya lol
wes you forgot his GT has LCA's also and he's lowered
i personally don't consider gears a bolt on . . . but thats just me. when i think of bolt-ons i think of intake and exhaust, when a dyno is needed to recalibrate things i see it as being past a bolt on
here wes i fixed it for ya lol
wes you forgot his GT has LCA's also and he's lowered
i personally don't consider gears a bolt on . . . but thats just me. when i think of bolt-ons i think of intake and exhaust, when a dyno is needed to recalibrate things i see it as being past a bolt on
best times:
Stock - 13.8
Intake w/tune - 13.5
removed 3.31 gears and installed 4.10's - 13.3
added Under Drive Pullies and DR's - 13.2
Lower Control Arms - 13.1
Added Charge Motion Delete Plates - 12.9
One Peice aluminum Driveshaft and 12.8
added Long tube headers (In conjuction with CMDP more air) 12.41
Most have seen times with a stall (helps with the 60') 3-4 tenths
of course a turbo or supercharger is easier but you put the stock motor at risk
since ford decided not to forge the internals like the V6
these mods on the S197 need a tune :
Intake (other than the K&N)
Charge Motion Delete Plates
Headers
Gears (speedo)
any off road pipe (O2 Sensor)
Axle back Muffers do Nothing for HP or Times, they are for Sound Only..
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Wow that was alot of info bud, I see there are some fast bolt on gt's in the country just not around me... And unless I see weight reductions lists those numbers dont mean a whole lot... but I dont care that much so no I dont want to see them... And no i'm not going to bother posting the fastest na f-body's list... though someone else can If their feelin like stirrin the pot some more....
12.3 and up are street trim, I remove the spare, sub and stuff like that
Some comments here strike as being a bit bigoted, I mean change the word sI would never drive a mustang
to I would never date a black gril or Asian, or a blond or bunette. how do you know until you try it? I would allow any one here a chance to take my car down the 1320 a few times. I mean it's not as fast as a cammed ls1 or ls2 but it's still fun.
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the tune really picls it up, shifts very hard, I can roast my tires from a launch, scratch 2nd and Bark 3rd. from a 20mph roll I can spin the tires.
and this is a stock tranny. I can change the shift points, pressure speed all from the hand held tunner.
It's fun to test the spark advance at the track as well, depending on he heat I can play with my tune to get the best performace possable.
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No Stall Stock Tranny..
N/A means Normally or Naturally Asperated, I know these cars and people some just can not afford to go FI and there are some us that refuse to use Nitrous.
True on the gears. Now on My Progress on mods went like this
best times:
Stock - 13.8
Intake w/tune - 13.5
removed 3.31 gears and installed 4.10's - 13.3
added Under Drive Pullies and DR's - 13.2
Lower Control Arms - 13.1
Added Charge Motion Delete Plates - 12.9
One Peice aluminum Driveshaft and 12.8
added Long tube headers (In conjuction with CMDP more air) 12.41
Most have seen times with a stall (helps with the 60') 3-4 tenths
of course a turbo or supercharger is easier but you put the stock motor at risk
since ford decided not to forge the internals like the V6
these mods on the S197 need a tune :
Intake (other than the K&N)
Charge Motion Delete Plates
Headers
Gears (speedo)
any off road pipe (O2 Sensor)
Axle back Muffers do Nothing for HP or Times, they are for Sound Only..
N/A means Normally or Naturally Asperated, I know these cars and people some just can not afford to go FI and there are some us that refuse to use Nitrous.
True on the gears. Now on My Progress on mods went like this
best times:
Stock - 13.8
Intake w/tune - 13.5
removed 3.31 gears and installed 4.10's - 13.3
added Under Drive Pullies and DR's - 13.2
Lower Control Arms - 13.1
Added Charge Motion Delete Plates - 12.9
One Peice aluminum Driveshaft and 12.8
added Long tube headers (In conjuction with CMDP more air) 12.41
Most have seen times with a stall (helps with the 60') 3-4 tenths
of course a turbo or supercharger is easier but you put the stock motor at risk
since ford decided not to forge the internals like the V6
these mods on the S197 need a tune :
Intake (other than the K&N)
Charge Motion Delete Plates
Headers
Gears (speedo)
any off road pipe (O2 Sensor)
Axle back Muffers do Nothing for HP or Times, they are for Sound Only..