These are rear shocks, double adjustable and on car adjustable, correct?

When I go to your site, Sam, I don't see this item, just the 4/4s as a front/rear combo.

 

I think 4/4 refers to the Koni SA front and rear combo meant for the 4th gen. Single adjustable/on car adjustable. 4/3 means 4th gen front shocks and 3rd gen rear koni shock. Single adjustable/off car adjustable.

 

I'm going to do my best to help offset a bit of the difference for those that had in transit orders before the sale. I can't do anything at all for those that already got their shocks before the sale. What I can do is very limited being that any order placed before the sale I also paid the pre-sale price on.....

 

I don't have DA's listed on my site because I don't generally use them. You didn't ask me about DA's either in our PM's, so I guess I'm at a bit of a loss what you are really after now.

Koni's are listed on my site as 4/3 or 4/4 sets, and the SA's are listed individually as well. DA's are not listed at all, but I'd be happy to give you pricing on those is that's what you want. But to this point you said nothing about them to me...

 

Correct.

 

Yeah I'm a little confused, too. I think I need a refresher course. I haven't dealt with Konis in ages ... teach me, Yoda.

4/4s are adjustable rebound only and infinitely adjustable (within their range) and the rears can be adjusted on the car.

4/3s are rebound adjustable only, have preset settings and the rears have to be removed from the car to adjust.

What was throwing me off is several times I've seen the phrase "fully adjustable" used where I used the term "infinitely adjustable". I thought it was a different way of describing them as "double adjustable" or rebound AND bump.

So, do I have it now?

What's the difference between the SA 1140 sports and the 4/4 rears I described above?

I am guessing none. The 4/4 description is "shortcut" to describe a pair of fronts (1139 sport) and a pair of rears (1140 sport). And 4/3 is a pair of fronts (1139 sport) and pair of rears (1265 sport).

Close?

I could have done this via PM or phone, but figured I had confused every one up to this point. So trying to clear the water.

 

that is it

 

Great price, and plenty of time for me to work them into my budget. Brakes will come first though, but maybe I can order both at the same time...

 

You got it. The terms 4/3 and 4/4 are not official, they are not part numbers. The numbers refer to the generation F-body shock they are front and rear.

8241-1140 Sport are "4" rears
30-1265 Sport are "3" rears

And you have the links between the number and how they adjust correct.

DA's are 8242-1005SP1 and 8242-1006SP1 front and rear respectively.

 

Sam,

Is there somewhere I can read up as to why you don't recommend or often use the DA Koni shocks?

Thanks man

 

I gotta tell you guys Sam is great ordered the Shocks and a brake package monday night and the koni's were on my door step in So. Cal. this morning. I never get that kind of turn around from anyone else! I will recommend Sam to anyone looking for parts in the future.

 

X2, id like to know this to

 

Woohoo!! I'll be on the phone to you as soon as Uncle Sam drops my tax return in the bank!!

Thanks Sam!

 

How about here?

Briefly, compression damping is not spring rate it's an unsprung weight control. Too little leaves cars with wheels and tires that look like basketballs when driving down the road (I'm sure we've all seen that). Too much makes impacts very sudden and harsh, and also can create a bit of a skate on hard turn-in.

If you want DA's, I'd happily sell them... Since folks ask, I'll try and get them added to my website today.

 

The fact that DA's have less compression travel due to their lower adjustment ( as Sam mentioned in a recent post ) also seems like a relevant reason why SA's are better. Especially for people who are going with really low springs and low springrates. I'm not sure how possible it is to bottom out in that case or not...

 

I don't believe it's the case the DA's get softer on compression. Too little is as bad (actually worse) than too much. And given that nobody has less unsprung weight really than stock, but many have more given bigger wheels, tires, and brakes, you don't want less compression damping.

Here's the deal. I've run both. I compete with my cars, and I win with them even against really trick shocks like triple adjustable Penske and Moton type dampers. If I can't find a reason (with testing) to run run DA's, most of you likely can't either. There are times I do recommend DA's, usually in the rear of cars with mongo rear axles like S60's because of the immense amount of additional unsprung mass, so it's not like I think they are useless.....

And fwiw, they are a bit more fragile given the location of the compression adjuster (which takes up room at the bottom of the shock). And that adjuster isn't nearly as good as the rebound one that acts on the piston. Better DA's that are custom built for some cars like Corvettes put the compression adjuster on the piston, these are on the body which is a more crude method IMHO.

 

Sam,

Is there any advantage to having a DA (in the front, rear, or both) in a drag race situation?

Also, is there a loss of handling with the use of a Nitto drag radial on the rear? Because I have to run this type of tire on the car due to the power... I have no traction in a straight line without the softer compound.

Thanks man

 

Just ordered 4/4's and springs, can't wait..wwwooohhhoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sam Strano

 

Ordered mine on Monday night and got them on Thursday pretty quick shipping thanks Sam for getting them to me before the weekend I will be calling soon

 

I just noticed this. I think my sentence was kinda confusing. I meant to say the adjustment **** on the lower part of the shock when I mentioned the lower adjustment. I think you had mentioned in the past that since the lower adjustment **** is there in the DA's, there's more mechanics there and it takes up space, which doesn't allow as much compression travel as the SA's would allow.

Maybe this isn't that significant?