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Old 08-31-2010, 02:12 PM
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Default Body flex with 600+ RWHP ??

I'm nearing completion of my project (hopefully in the next month or so), and am left wondering the all-important following question:

To cage, or not to cage...that is the question.

Subfame connectors are welded in, but is that enough for this car? I'm curious as to what others have experienced on the street. My goal has been to keep this car a street-car, but I'm left wondering if a 4 or 6-point is going to be needed. I still have the interior out of the car, so now is a great time for me to make a decision.

Any thoughts or comments will be appreciated.
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Bump.

Anyone?? I'm sure there are lots of folks here that are putting out much more to the pavement then my car will.....I'm just looking for input as to which way to go.
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Are you gonna put it on the strip? Why not setup the car so it's legal for the strip in case you need to put in a cage or something after you get consistent low times?

Streets have crappy surfaces, so I can't see why you'd need more than subframe connectors for street driving.
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Originally Posted by z28bryan
Are you gonna put it on the strip? Why not setup the car so it's legal for the strip in case you need to put in a cage or something after you get consistent low times?

Streets have crappy surfaces, so I can't see why you'd need more than subframe connectors for street driving.
The car will probably see occasional track use EVENTUALLY, but I'm really not wanting to block off the back seat with bars and such. I'm hoping to touch in the 10's with this car, and I know that anything in the 11's will require a cage of some sort to be legal to run at the strip....I just have not looked into exactly what type will be required. I'm not in any big hurry to run it at the strip yet though, which is why I'm really wanting to avoid a cage at this point....unless it's going to flex like a **** on the street.
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I believe 11.49 & faster requires roll bar. . . but if stock power can flex the body, why wouldn't 600+???
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I'm road racing a 3200lb 4th gen with 250 RWHP and I'm ripping the floor pan and pulling the trans cross brace out WITH a cage and weld in SFCs.

I stitch welded the cross brace and then I started pulling the blind nuts out the cross brace where the trans cross member bolts in.

I've seen these cars with fractures leading away from the shifter hole.

But I doubt any of that would've occured had I put in an strut tower brace ...
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Originally Posted by Duffster
I believe 11.49 & faster requires roll bar. . . but if stock power can flex the body, why wouldn't 600+???
I understand what you're saying....but I've already welded in subframe connectors.....just wondering if that'll be enough.
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
I'm road racing a 3200lb 4th gen with 250 RWHP and I'm ripping the floor pan and pulling the trans cross brace out WITH a cage and weld in SFCs.

I stitch welded the cross brace and then I started pulling the blind nuts out the cross brace where the trans cross member bolts in.

I've seen these cars with fractures leading away from the shifter hole.

But I doubt any of that would've occured had I put in an strut tower brace ...
Great info.

Just curious, are you using a torque arm relocation? I've installed one in mine, and am curious if you think this will help avoid problems with the cross-brace. If not, I can reinforce trans mount points now....since the interior is still all out.

Also...what type of cage did you install?
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Stock arm in the stock location.

Custom built ... kind of like this one ...

http://www.lawmotorsports.net/Chassis4.htm
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
Stock arm in the stock location.

Custom built ... kind of like this one ...

http://www.lawmotorsports.net/Chassis4.htm
Holy crap!! I'm amazed that you had any flex at all, if that's what you installed. Looks like maybe a 6-point minimum is in order LOL
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Originally Posted by salemetro
Holy crap!! I'm amazed that you had any flex at all, if that's what you installed. Looks like maybe a 6-point minimum is in order LOL
Don't think from one POV ... most folks think body flex as the whole chassis twisting as you make twists and turns on a road course some where or hard launches off the line.

In this case, it's flex between the sills, created by a lot of torque action via the driveline.

If you look closely in those pictures, to the right of the shifter hole, you will see a ground away place. That was a body repair.
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My car with 380 RWHP and subframe connectors is sepperating the wind shild from the car on the top...

I am going with a 6 point roll bar
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Originally Posted by tittan1500
My car with 380 RWHP and subframe connectors is sepperating the wind shild from the car on the top...

I am going with a 6 point roll bar
I think your car was in an accident.
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the damage did not show up until I started hooking
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Originally Posted by tittan1500
the damage did not show up until I started hooking
Like he said...sounds like your car might have been in an accident. That shouldn't ever happen.
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A 4 point would only help grand ma's crown vic

go 6 point with lost of crass bracing welded EVERYWHERE none of that bolt on ****
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Originally Posted by mitchntx
I'm road racing a 3200lb 4th gen with 250 RWHP and I'm ripping the floor pan and pulling the trans cross brace out WITH a cage and weld in SFCs.

I stitch welded the cross brace and then I started pulling the blind nuts out the cross brace where the trans cross member bolts in.

I've seen these cars with fractures leading away from the shifter hole.

But I doubt any of that would've occured had I put in an strut tower brace ...
i really hope you mean 350rwhp, and not 250.....if that's not a typo, something's TERRIBLY wrong
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Originally Posted by 02Z28LS1
i really hope you mean 350rwhp, and not 250.....if that's not a typo, something's TERRIBLY wrong
nope, they are restricted on horsepower
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I dyno certed at 258RWHP

Only real men are fast at 250 ...
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I am sure that hooking on the track will be pushing the limits of SFC's only.. And road racing hard will put tremendous stress on a cars chassis..



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