Dirty Dog

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Tax this snot out of those things. $100 a pack sounds reasonable to me. In 30 years of EMS I've seen way too many unnecessary miserable deaths from those damned things. One of the major absurdities in this world is that tobacco is legal, even though it kills more people every year than all the illegal drugs combined.

gun4hire

iTrader: (17)

I think that's taxed when you buy replacements.
or to increase the cost of their insurance.
while you may live in a democracy, many of the 'services' we all have (ie. health insurance) are socialist in nature. I pay more in insurance because some insureds make bad choices. I would not be against the taxing of other unhealthy decisions. I think it would help me live in a more healthy fashion.

I'm all for the freedom of smokers. NO ONE is taking away your right to smoke. The majority of people dont want you to smoke near them so we (the majority) regulate where you can smoke and how much you get taxed on it to subsidize the increased insurance of those of us who dont. Dont like it? You actually have the freedom to quit. Maybe we should think of smoking cigarettes as a luxury like cigars instead of it being a habit like chewing your nails.

redsox_ws6

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what about the waiting staff, they don’t have any other choice than to serve the people in the smoking section, which I don’t think is fair because people are not gonna tip more just because there in the smoking section, and the wait staff still has to inhale the secondhand smoke. If you charge them a higher gratuity for a smoking section, people are gonna bitch and moan. I think its fine like it is, just make people who smoke go out side and away from the door. Smoking is a choice nobody is born addicted to cigs, it cost tax payers tax money (hospital fees etc for lung disease, asthma etc), and this is one way they get the money back. If I was a smoker and was pisted about the high prices I would find a way to grow the tobacco myself and **** spending $200+ a month on cigs. I don’t think it should be banned but I do think it should be taxed, And taxed in mathematically conscious way, where several factors are summed up to determine a fair and appropriate tax. Not just an escape goat tax, which we hike up because we are in a deficit budget or crisis or have an unfair negative bias towards a demographic.

slayer_taunu

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dallas is banning smoking in all publicly accessible establishments (including bars) in april. There will be an exemption for 'cigar bars', but they have to get over 15% of their income from tobacco sales.

details of dallas ban:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....4bf87a1f.html

editorial on how dallas might impact state wide change:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/6181953.html

Elite_Hot_Rod

It was a public resturant that allows smoking andno one forced you to go in and your complaining a out smelling like smoke. Were all the non smoking bars closed? Do know how totally rediculous your arguement is?

Randy_S

iTrader: (1)

So did the price increase this morning or no?

pennys58

iTrader: (13)

I haven't smoked for a couple years now, but cigs at a bar is like:

Popcorn at a Movie Theater
Hot Dog/Peanuts and Beer at a Baseball Game
Turkey Leg and a Beer at the Track
***** at a Strip Club

They all just kind of go hand in hand.

347fbody

im a smoker an have been a smoker since i was 16..i have no argument on smoking bein banned in public places i just wait till i leave or jus step out side to smoke..smoking bein banned in public places isn't bad but taxin people to death that do chose to smoke is bull **** IMO..i used to smoke 2-3 packs a day but most of mine was from boredom settin in an office all day jus sumn to do..now i mite go 2 or 3 days with out a cig an then smoke everyday for a week or vice versa i no it sounds like BS but i honestly njoy the taste of a cig..i can say i neva smoke ova a half a pack a day now an i have alot more money because of cuttin back..wen i relized i was spendin enough on cigs a month to meet my bike payment i saw it was time to cut back..smokin in public ban is good but taxing the **** out of me is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RickyMartinZ28

iTrader: (5)

I see no reason for Alcohol at all... same with tabacco/cigs

Chace02ws6

iTrader: (10)

Hopefully they tax you guys even more, Smoking is horrible and yes one day you may realize that when its 7 bucks a pack, It may not be worth it....

Robert@G-Force

If everyone is such a fan of non smoking bars why did they have to change the laws to make it illegal, the bar owners should see that non smoking bars are so much more popular oh wait they wouldn't be. Why don't they let the bar owner make their own decision about the smoking arrangements in their bars?

Randy_S

iTrader: (1)

I now have a headache and my eyes hurt from trying to translate this into proper english.

So, did they go up again or not?

mmiller

iTrader: (1)

I wanted to go watch the UFC fight and unfortunately there aren't any non-smoking bars close to my house. I didn't however want to go and smell a bunch of cigarrete smoke. You make it sound as if only smokers have the right to be in a bar. My point is that non-smokers don't infringe smokers by their choice not to smoke. Someone who does smoke definitely infringes on those who do. Do you understand this fact?

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. Everyone has their right to choose what they do, but if people do choose to smoke they should do it only outdoors and not indoors with no ventilation and to where other people have to smell it. You make it out like I "got what I deserved" by going to a bar. Your argument is equally as ridiculous to me as well. One day I can assure you that this won't be an issue. Smoking indoors will be a thing of the past in the near future!

streetassasin

iTrader: (30)

God I hate cigarette smoke

AGRV8D

iTrader: (19)

freedom will be a thing of the past soon as well sir....

Elite_Hot_Rod

Smokers have the same rights as you do. If smoke bothers you that bad then stay out of establishments that allow smoking...period, I'm sure you could have found one that was open, you made the choice. Your arguement is still weak.

2 SLOW

defending smoking is like defending drunk driving.

BT03mach-1

whats wrong with drunk driving? j/j i don't know if anyone else works at Boeing but you can't even smoke on the property even outside. not even in your own car.

Randy_S

iTrader: (1)

Thats because they store all the top secret jet fuel under the parking lot!

slayer_taunu

iTrader: (3)

i disagree with this arguement. thats like saying you are required to drink beer at a baseball game or get popcorn at a movie.

and speaking of beer... you might want to go to a bar just because you like the food. you might not even be there to drink. and just because you are in a bar, doesnt mean that o ther people drinking is affecting you. but if people are smoking, you are affected whether you want to be or not. that is the arguement... a non-smoker is still affected by the smoke.

but what you ARE saying, is that if you go to a bar to just drink or for the food, you are also REQUIRED to smoke, whether you want to or not.