400 hp 78 camaro
08-09-2009, 03:23 AM
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08-09-2009, 03:32 AM
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your saying his motor would be making enough power to make it flash higher? i know it weighing more would... but i dont think that would be enough power to make it flash that much higher..
something that flashed to a true 3500-3700RPMs would be ideal in an application such as that IMO.. i would never go under 3500RPMs for any car regardless if stock or full blown drag car..
the motor (horsepower beside) isnt what is the deciding factor in what the converter flashes to.. unless i have been misguided..
08-09-2009, 08:17 AM
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Converter flash is a funtion of torque output.
As for the comment about not knowing, I had a simple set up that ran 12.90 in my 70 SS back in the early 90's. I very seriously doubt it made 400whp though. It was a 350 flat top pistons, Comp Magnum 292 grind, ported 292 angle plug heads, Weiand Team G, Holley 750 dp, holley blue pump, 10" converter (flashed around 3500), worked over th350,
12 bolt w/4.11's, and some soft tires.
Car was full weight w/ AC. I don't go for stripping my daily drivers down.
With a Lunati Street Master cam, stock 186 heads, Mallory mechanical fuel pump, stock low compression rotating assembly and the rest of the set up the same and street tires it ran 13.36. This was on a cheap $800 long block build including the price of a block.
But thats right, I don't know what I'm talking about eventhough I drove this car for 12 years and tried various combo w/in that time.
As for the comment about not knowing, I had a simple set up that ran 12.90 in my 70 SS back in the early 90's. I very seriously doubt it made 400whp though. It was a 350 flat top pistons, Comp Magnum 292 grind, ported 292 angle plug heads, Weiand Team G, Holley 750 dp, holley blue pump, 10" converter (flashed around 3500), worked over th350,
12 bolt w/4.11's, and some soft tires.
Car was full weight w/ AC. I don't go for stripping my daily drivers down.
With a Lunati Street Master cam, stock 186 heads, Mallory mechanical fuel pump, stock low compression rotating assembly and the rest of the set up the same and street tires it ran 13.36. This was on a cheap $800 long block build including the price of a block.
But thats right, I don't know what I'm talking about eventhough I drove this car for 12 years and tried various combo w/in that time.
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08-09-2009, 08:55 AM
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Do you know that brake HP (flywheel HP) is totally different than RWHP? Brake HP is taken at the crank, RWHP is far less due to parasitic loss thru the drive train.
08-09-2009, 09:20 AM
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RWHP or fly wheel HP, there's a hell of alot of difference, show me the dyno sheets and make me a believer. I watched a 70 Chevelle SS with a 454 make 265 RWHP on the dyno. Your not gonna make 400 RWHP N/A out of an old school 350, I know I'm old school. We couldn't do it then you won't do it now. The stock 350 in my 69 Camaro probably makes somewhere around 200 RWHP and that's it. I call bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYazpBfpOco
I made well over 400whp with a iron headed 350 with a 234 cam, no fancy parts but just a well put together combo. Hell I never even had it tuned, I even got 25mpg with it.. Ran consistent 7.6s@93-95 on motor and never got a clean pass on the spray. To the op, just set your **** up right and you wont have any problems making 400hp. Hell I used to love smashing Lsx cars that thought sbcs were weak.
08-09-2009, 10:33 AM
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Please dont be that ignorant, SBCs can and do make as much power as LSX when built right. The problem is that you see ppl everywhere using 20-30yr old technology and parts and they arent making much power at all. Modern SBC parts are just as good as lsx stuff, there are no inherent deficiencies in a sbc. Here is a perfect example, this Cobra here has drug many a h/c lsx cars and my "old school" 350 had no problem with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYazpBfpOco
I made well over 400whp with a iron headed 350 with a 234 cam, no fancy parts but just a well put together combo. Hell I never even had it tuned, I even got 25mpg with it.. Ran consistent 7.6s@93-95 on motor and never got a clean pass on the spray. To the op, just set your **** up right and you wont have any problems making 400hp. Hell I used to love smashing Lsx cars that thought sbcs were weak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYazpBfpOco
I made well over 400whp with a iron headed 350 with a 234 cam, no fancy parts but just a well put together combo. Hell I never even had it tuned, I even got 25mpg with it.. Ran consistent 7.6s@93-95 on motor and never got a clean pass on the spray. To the op, just set your **** up right and you wont have any problems making 400hp. Hell I used to love smashing Lsx cars that thought sbcs were weak.
08-09-2009, 12:07 PM
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RWHP or fly wheel HP, there's a hell of alot of difference, show me the dyno sheets and make me a believer. I watched a 70 Chevelle SS with a 454 make 265 RWHP on the dyno. Your not gonna make 400 RWHP N/A out of an old school 350, I know I'm old school. We couldn't do it then you won't do it now. The stock 350 in my 69 Camaro probably makes somewhere around 200 RWHP and that's it. I call bullshit.
So a 600bhp motor will still make close to 500 at the wheels and thats in a auto car.
The motors I refer to I have seen on the engine dyno and then seen them on the chassis dyno in the car. It surprises me that you can be this big time "old school" guy but yet you think a 350 small block won't make over 400rwhp.
Also, why the hell are you telling us what a stock 350 makes??? who gives a ****, we could ask 200 members on here if their **** was stock and 2 of them would say yes, and even then the only reason would be because they just bought the damn thing.
whats even funnier is that I KNOW ppl that did it then, and still do it today! so all that does is tell me you don't know **** about putting a well built combination together. Please quit giving this guy advice on how he can't build a 400hp small block.
I once heard someone say that if you wanted a 8 second car built, don't take advice from the ones that run 10's
08-09-2009, 03:02 PM
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bro no offense but i doubt a 305 truck would beat a 262(4.3) blazer. i saw the blazer on your youtube friends list and then saw the truck i really doubt you won. and also given that the lt's ran almost a 17 1/4 mile i doubt 30 hp would get you in the low 15's the z28 ran a 16 flat
08-09-2009, 03:38 PM
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bro no offense but i doubt a 305 truck would beat a 262(4.3) blazer. i saw the blazer on your youtube friends list and then saw the truck i really doubt you won. and also given that the lt's ran almost a 17 1/4 mile i doubt 30 hp would get you in the low 15's the z28 ran a 16 flat
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08-09-2009, 07:01 PM
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08-09-2009, 07:31 PM
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the truckbeat the blazer and the 67 mustang befor he had the 4brrl, the truck was also faster then, my camaro, untill i got mine tuned right, (yes it was the bad) that 305 is quick it makes the tires bark in 2nd, because of that shift kit, and its just tuned right the blazer did something and came back on the truck though unfortunaty
08-09-2009, 08:09 PM
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Barking 2nd is not a function of being fast. I've seen some turds that could bark 2nd, but weren't fast. All you need is a hard shift and skinny tires. Hell, I used to bark 2nd in my VW bugs.
The answer for your compression question, as much as possible for the fuel you are going to run.
The answer for your compression question, as much as possible for the fuel you are going to run.
08-09-2009, 08:35 PM
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the truckbeat the blazer and the 67 mustang befor he had the 4brrl, the truck was also faster then, my camaro, untill i got mine tuned right, (yes it was the bad) that 305 is quick it makes the tires bark in 2nd, because of that shift kit, and its just tuned right the blazer did something and came back on the truck though unfortunaty
08-09-2009, 10:57 PM
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i want to run pump gas, witch would be the highest compression i could getfor a car that i want to keep as a fast and fun daily driver but have somefun and more fun with winning?
08-09-2009, 11:01 PM
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Just my .02 but why don't you keep this car the way it is, appreciate that nobody gives a **** about a v6 mustang or a blazer, but most old school guys and some new do give a **** about a clean good running car like yours. While your posse is out getting new chips and 4 barrel carbs, badass distributors and Mcdonalds triple wings with cheese, you save the money the money it takes to get a decent ls1 car. It might not be low mileage but at least your starting with something that can run low 13's high 12's. Now you would have a lot better platform to start modding with. However, If this car means the world to you then listen to the guys who have done it.
08-09-2009, 11:03 PM
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Just my .02 but why don't you keep this car the way it is, appreciate that nobody gives a **** about a v6 mustang or a blazer, but most old school guys and some new do give a **** about a clean good running car like yours. While your posse is out getting new chips and 4 barrel carbs, badass distributors and Mcdonalds triple wings with cheese, you save the money the money it takes to get a decent ls1 car. It might not be low mileage but at least your starting with something that can run low 13's high 12's. Now you would have a lot better platform to start modding with. However, If this car means the world to you then listen to the guys who have done it.
not just for speed sake.. which even going from what these guys in the thread are going by and bolt on ls1 can run with a pretty heavily modified "old school 350"...
you will also have a car that is "one of its own"... i dont know anyone else with a camao of that year with an ls1 in it... are they out there? yea, plenty of them im sure... but nobody i know, or my buddies... at least not personally..
would be cool as ****.. and it would solve your speed problems..
08-09-2009, 11:12 PM
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idk wtf some of you guys are talking about my dads 79z is a 356 and running 400+whps
Build your car right.
my cuzins 77 camaro has a 305 with a ******* big *** cam heads, headers, TDs everything
and hes pushing 300+
and 200bhp seems kinda low, what kind of exhaust setup do you have? come to think about it.. in 78 could you even get a 350 from the factory? Are you sure you don't have a 305?
Build your car right.
my cuzins 77 camaro has a 305 with a ******* big *** cam heads, headers, TDs everything
and hes pushing 300+
and 200bhp seems kinda low, what kind of exhaust setup do you have? come to think about it.. in 78 could you even get a 350 from the factory? Are you sure you don't have a 305?