I knew it! Mustang Answers...
#21
As I have said above, us Ford boys would have to learn to do more with less since thats what Ford gave us to work with. I have nothing against Gm's and in fact was very disappointed to see the Camaro/Ta die off in 2002.
#24
Funny thing is, since the late 80's those girly cars have been whipping some GM ***. Until the Ls based engine came around in 98, the F Body didn't have a chance on the streets. The LS ruled the streets for a while but now with the 5.0 DOHC engine, its game on again and Ford is back in control. Ford has always managed to do more with less cubic inches. Personally I always wanted Ford to step up and offer a bigger engine than the basic 5.0 and later 4.6 but I guess with all the girls buying the cars up like hot cakes, why fix what wasn't broken?
89 TTA
89-92 Formula Firebird
Grand National
Corvette
Cyclone
Assuming those are just some reasons you said "some" GM *** and not all right?
#25
You've never seen a 267 from about 1980, huh? What was so wrong with the LT1? Yeah, the obvious Opti, but other than that, it was a Gen I with good heads. Not even close to anything from the smog era.
#26
The turbo 3.8L stuff was cool and I use to enjoy the Buick vs. Mustang shoot outs but the C4 Vette was far from being fast. A factory 5.0 Mustang with 5 speed would spank its ***. I remember guys running mid 11's back in the early 90's with a very, very limited amount of bolts on available for the 5.0 back then. I don't recall any 3rd gens being that fast in the same era of time. You guys can joke about Mustangs all you want. I get it, its a GM based tech board. Just remember the next time you get beat by a Mustang, a girls car just drug your ***.
#27
Don't recall the 267 but just about anything under 300 cubic inches is weak for a V8. Why Ford chose 281 for the modular engine is beyond me. I always thought that was a step in the wrong direction.
#28
The turbo 3.8L stuff was cool and I use to enjoy the Buick vs. Mustang shoot outs but the C4 Vette was far from being fast. A factory 5.0 Mustang with 5 speed would spank its ***. I remember guys running mid 11's back in the early 90's with a very, very limited amount of bolts on available for the 5.0 back then. I don't recall any 3rd gens being that fast in the same era of time. You guys can joke about Mustangs all you want. I get it, its a GM based tech board. Just remember the next time you get beat by a Mustang, a girls car just drug your ***.
Why dont you go join a mustang forum? In case you missed the title on this site it said LS1... you dont belong here.
#29
i complete agree with this. i love the looks, but when you coupe weighs that much something it really wrong.
i will give you that...the old 4.6 was complete ****, and they did get better towards the end of the run. but they still were horrid small blocks.
i do, however, disagree that the only reason people put SBC is other applications is that they dont know how to make horsepower. i think the reason is that it is A LOT easier to make the power on a SBC. after all, there is no replacement for displacement. 2002 F-Body running complete N/A (using a built motor still 5.7L) will make the the same power as the 2002 4.6L Modular with a F/I System.
i will give you that...the old 4.6 was complete ****, and they did get better towards the end of the run. but they still were horrid small blocks.
i do, however, disagree that the only reason people put SBC is other applications is that they dont know how to make horsepower. i think the reason is that it is A LOT easier to make the power on a SBC. after all, there is no replacement for displacement. 2002 F-Body running complete N/A (using a built motor still 5.7L) will make the the same power as the 2002 4.6L Modular with a F/I System.
#30
now you sound just like "one of those mustang guys". they say the same thing to fbody people that come to mustang forums. you dont wanna be just like a mustang guy do you?
#31
haha I know man relax. I just dont understand why someone joins a forum and then starts dissing what the forum is about.. do people have nothing better to do with their time than too cause ****?
#32
I'm a member on several Mustang sites and its no secret I prefer Ford's but I also like to offer tech help regarding things I know a lot about and in this case its T56 transmissions which come in many Gm models. I just noticed the thread name and figured I'd join in on the fun. Is that ok with you? I really didn't know I had to ask for your blessings before posting my opinion on the topic, noobie.
#33
I'm a member on several Mustang sites and its no secret I prefer Ford's but I also like to offer tech help regarding things I know a lot about and in this case its T56 transmissions which come in many Gm models. I just noticed the thread name and figured I'd join in on the fun. Is that ok with you? I really didn't know I had to ask for your blessings before posting my opinion on the topic, noobie.
#34
#35
But I did want an honest answer on what was wrong with the LT1, especially considering the timeframe. I think it was a natural progression from the old SBC, and I've owned a metric ****-ton of LT1 Caprices, 1 '96 Impala SS, and an LT1-powered Jaguar. I never had any more problems than any earlier SBC or similar model-year Vortec 350s.
I should have added I've also owned 2 5-liter Mustangs, a few other Fords, and various other levels of automotive stuff from nice to crap! I was comparing the LT1 to all of my automotive experience as a whole over the last 22 years or so.
#36
I wasn't picking a fight, but I did want to note there was something worse than a 305!
But I did want an honest answer on what was wrong with the LT1, especially considering the timeframe. I think it was a natural progression from the old SBC, and I've owned a metric ****-ton of LT1 Caprices, 1 '96 Impala SS, and an LT1-powered Jaguar. I never had any more problems than any earlier SBC or similar model-year Vortec 350s.
But I did want an honest answer on what was wrong with the LT1, especially considering the timeframe. I think it was a natural progression from the old SBC, and I've owned a metric ****-ton of LT1 Caprices, 1 '96 Impala SS, and an LT1-powered Jaguar. I never had any more problems than any earlier SBC or similar model-year Vortec 350s.
#37
It looked exactly like this one: http://www.chevy-camaro.com/images/t...Annivesary.jpg
#38
Well, maybe that dud gave you a bad taste. It took a few years to get the LT1 stuff down, but later a lot of guys had 4200lb B-bodys running that fast and faster without a whole lot of trouble. Kinda like looking at the cams and mods for the LS1 in the late '90s. Just took a bit to figure out how to make it go. The 5.0s already had a good 5+ years on the LT1 when it hit the road.
#39
Well, maybe that dud gave you a bad taste. It took a few years to get the LT1 stuff down, but later a lot of guys had 4200lb B-bodys running that fast and faster without a whole lot of trouble. Kinda like looking at the cams and mods for the LS1 in the late '90s. Just took a bit to figure out how to make it go. The 5.0s already had a good 5+ years on the LT1 when it hit the road.
#40
While I may not agree with some of what you say, I definitely agree with you on these two points. I don't entirely discredit the LT1 simply because of the stupid Opti design, though I do think that it was probably one of the dumbest designs (especially putting the freakin weep hole in the waterpump direct OVER it), and I think that it will hold that generation of small block back until some aftermarket company comes up with a way to get rid of it completely. Even the kits that "convert" it to a coil pack design still utilize the optical sensor in the opti spark. Weaksauce. As for the new 5.0, I love what Ford has done! Ford has stepped their game up and I'm waiting on seeing what GM will do in response! A more powerful Mustang means that GM will need to put up or shut up with a more powerful Camaro, so for us enthusiasts it's a win-win.