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12-20-2010, 11:56 AM
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As for price, you guys are knit picking again. Mustangs were typically 3-5K less than the F body if I remember right.
12-20-2010, 12:01 PM
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Oh come on now, you know you enjoyed working on the back half of an LT1 that was stuffed under the cowl! That was half the "fun" of owning one! I used to always have friends come ask if I would change their spark plugs or put on a new intake. I'd have them do most of the rear work to "earn their stripes", lol. It does make me pine for the days when I had my second gen with a huge engine bay.....
12-20-2010, 12:03 PM
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It was nothing more than a Gt with a set of 4V heads on it. If you were talking about a Terminator, I would agree about it being in a different class.
12-20-2010, 12:07 PM
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I never cried, I wanted one. I raced them just like I raced the GT. Most of the Cobra owners I encountered in my street racing days were rich kids with limp bizkut hats and thin gold chains or old men. Both of those types of owners usually couldn't drive for **** and I capitalized on it. A set of heads on the 4.6 made a huge difference, but Ford didn't do it. SVT did. Some like to try and compare the SS with the Cobra, bullshit. The SS was a freakin body kit and suspension. The Cobra had some real **** done to it. You can act like I'm your enemy all day long, but I'm not trying to be a dick I'm trying to have a conversation. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like you or that I hold anything against you either personally or professionally.
12-20-2010, 12:15 PM
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I never cried, I wanted one. I raced them just like I raced the GT. Most of the Cobra owners I encountered in my street racing days were rich kids with limp bizkut hats and thin gold chains or old men. Both of those types of owners usually couldn't drive for **** and I capitalized on it. A set of heads on the 4.6 made a huge difference, but Ford didn't do it. SVT did. Some like to try and compare the SS with the Cobra, bullshit. The SS was a freakin body kit and suspension. The Cobra had some real **** done to it.
You can act like I'm your enemy all day long, but I'm not trying to be a dick I'm trying to have a conversation. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't like you or that I hold anything against you either personally or professionally.
There's a guy who runs around in one of those locally. He's pretty quick too, haha!
<<< ties joke back to the original topic
12-20-2010, 12:33 PM
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Here's one killing a Camaro, not sure if its an LT1, lemme find one destroying a 4.6 hahaha
12-20-2010, 12:42 PM
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These arguements are alwasy ridiculous.
Coming from working on many many foxbodies, first thigns first, a stock or relatively stock 5.0 foxbody is slow as ****.
Plus the 5.0 isnt really **** nowadays, it was badass back in its day, its just too far behind now. Some people may still be doing big things with them but when your dropping serious coin into a build well it really doesnt matter what you start with.
Think about it, the same people that swing on the 5.0 bash on the LT1. lets compare
Which one splits blocks at around 500hp? Similar build H/C 5.0s are normally down about 60-100hp on a comparable LT1.
There was a member on here with a custom cam and some AFRS on a 5.0 made 328whp.A similarly built LT1 could easily eclipse 400whp.
And if you couldnt get an LT1 to run right well thats just your problem its not the engines fault its the builders fault. I have never once had a problem getting an LT1 to run right.
You can complain all day long about well i have less cubic inches or I dont have FI or he spend x amoutn more dollars. It doesnt matter, you picked what you picked, and you get to deal with it. Plus all this getting it done with less cubes is stupid, unless your racing in a displacement restricted class nobody cares how big your engines displacement is.
HP/LITER is ricer math
And about Mopar not knowing what they are doing, lets look ta the challenger, first of 4700lbs is way TOO High. Ive seen curbweights quoted between 3834-4037 as far as power, the 5.7 makes 357 and the 6.1 is 425 and the 6.4 last I checked is unannounced
Coming from working on many many foxbodies, first thigns first, a stock or relatively stock 5.0 foxbody is slow as ****.
Plus the 5.0 isnt really **** nowadays, it was badass back in its day, its just too far behind now. Some people may still be doing big things with them but when your dropping serious coin into a build well it really doesnt matter what you start with.
Think about it, the same people that swing on the 5.0 bash on the LT1. lets compare
Which one splits blocks at around 500hp? Similar build H/C 5.0s are normally down about 60-100hp on a comparable LT1.
There was a member on here with a custom cam and some AFRS on a 5.0 made 328whp.A similarly built LT1 could easily eclipse 400whp.
And if you couldnt get an LT1 to run right well thats just your problem its not the engines fault its the builders fault. I have never once had a problem getting an LT1 to run right.
You can complain all day long about well i have less cubic inches or I dont have FI or he spend x amoutn more dollars. It doesnt matter, you picked what you picked, and you get to deal with it. Plus all this getting it done with less cubes is stupid, unless your racing in a displacement restricted class nobody cares how big your engines displacement is.
HP/LITER is ricer math
And about Mopar not knowing what they are doing, lets look ta the challenger, first of 4700lbs is way TOO High. Ive seen curbweights quoted between 3834-4037 as far as power, the 5.7 makes 357 and the 6.1 is 425 and the 6.4 last I checked is unannounced
12-20-2010, 06:18 PM
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I don't know about smashing a stang with your carbed out f bomb but maybe so. I know here locally, back in the late 90's up to the mid 00's our local track use to run a F body vs. Mustang shoot out and there really was no comparison. You might have a handful of fast F bodys show up and there would be 5 times the amount of fast Mustangs show up. Us Mustang guys would have to run each other to thin out the pack so that there would be an equal number of Mustangs vs. the F boats in the eliminations part of the race. These were street cars not tube chassis or back halved drag cars.
Got to remember, a Fox car only runs so well since the lack of weight, not because the motor are decent, there is a guy here witha all stock 6.0 in a fox body, carbed and cammed, unported heads turning 9s all motor on pump gas, never could happen with any 302 or 351 with pump has, stock short block with ANY heads you put on it. Unless someone can prove me wrong anyway.
Just shows chevy power in a light car get down hard.
That is why Ford doesnt rule in category where weight restrictions even things up so there is no HP to weight advantage to save them.
That is what i see anyway.
12-20-2010, 06:35 PM
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Got to remember, a Fox car only runs so well since the lack of weight, not because the motor are decent, there is a guy here witha all stock 6.0 in a fox body, carbed and cammed, unported heads turning 9s all motor on pump gas, never could happen with any 302 or 351 with pump has, stock short block with ANY heads you put on it. Unless someone can prove me wrong anyway.
12-20-2010, 06:43 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkDyqGUSzRk
Give them another 65-70 cubic inches and I'm pretty sure they would be well into the 9's.
12-20-2010, 07:14 PM
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Why must there be so many idiots on this site? I remember when you could get beat up for posting dumb ****. Now ten jerkoffs will post right after the first idiot. Let me be clear...ten dumb asses saying the same dumb **** doesn't make you morons right.. Just makes you a liberal.
I'm posting from my phone so excuse the sweet grammar.
I'm posting from my phone so excuse the sweet grammar.
12-20-2010, 07:15 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_numbers.html
Found this comparison. Here's the thing about GM cars. Sometimes they do pretty well with fit and finish, sometimes it turrible!!!!!!!! For example my brother owned a Pontiac Solstice GXP. We were very impressed by the power the car made. I mean it made gobs of power. However, you couldn't see anything out of the damned thing, you couldn't adjust the reclining mechanism without opening the door, it had zero trunk with the top down and if you could get the trunk closed on the first try, I would gladly had you a check. BUT! It had a bullet proof engine and transmission. Compare that car to say a hard top NC Miata. The miata makes 60 less horsepower and even less with mods, but its a totally livable car. Used they are similarly priced, yes they can be found. It has a hard top, its not as cramped believe it or not, it has usable cup holders, the list goes on and on. Same thing with the Z4 3.0 I owned. Now the GXP has more modding potential and would be faster than both for less money, but is it worth living with everyday? Helllll no.
The power advantage with our current pony cars goes to GM without question. But the package as a whole goes to the Mustang GT. That's from factory, not after some guy with a wrench gets through with them. I love the LS series engines, the best bang for your buck right now would be a used LS car, even a C5. But if I were to go buy a brand new car right now (which would never happen, I hate buying new cars) it would have to be the Mustang GT.
To be honest, my favorite GM car in the past 5 years has to be the Cobalt SS. Crucify me if you must but I liked having a fairly quick car that got 30+ mpg.
Found this comparison. Here's the thing about GM cars. Sometimes they do pretty well with fit and finish, sometimes it turrible!!!!!!!! For example my brother owned a Pontiac Solstice GXP. We were very impressed by the power the car made. I mean it made gobs of power. However, you couldn't see anything out of the damned thing, you couldn't adjust the reclining mechanism without opening the door, it had zero trunk with the top down and if you could get the trunk closed on the first try, I would gladly had you a check. BUT! It had a bullet proof engine and transmission. Compare that car to say a hard top NC Miata. The miata makes 60 less horsepower and even less with mods, but its a totally livable car. Used they are similarly priced, yes they can be found. It has a hard top, its not as cramped believe it or not, it has usable cup holders, the list goes on and on. Same thing with the Z4 3.0 I owned. Now the GXP has more modding potential and would be faster than both for less money, but is it worth living with everyday? Helllll no.
The power advantage with our current pony cars goes to GM without question. But the package as a whole goes to the Mustang GT. That's from factory, not after some guy with a wrench gets through with them. I love the LS series engines, the best bang for your buck right now would be a used LS car, even a C5. But if I were to go buy a brand new car right now (which would never happen, I hate buying new cars) it would have to be the Mustang GT.
To be honest, my favorite GM car in the past 5 years has to be the Cobalt SS. Crucify me if you must but I liked having a fairly quick car that got 30+ mpg.