I knew Kalifornia was crazy... but VIRGINIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
07-02-2007, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GOHOME
Kalifornia? hmmmmm
You got a comment on the article, which was the point of the thread, or what?
07-02-2007, 11:00 AM
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The way I read it, it's just like what Texas has, except we get a few "freebies" till it starts (Points System) - $350/yr for 3 years is about what Texas charges after you surpass 6pts IIRC
07-02-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DSIM
Simply an easy way for the states to make money.
07-02-2007, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mbrownin
Sounds like it's ALREADY in other states, (Michigan, Texas, New Jersey, New York)
Simply an easy way for the states to make money.
Simply an easy way for the states to make money.
EDIT- This is from the TXDPS site here
Originally Posted by TXDPS
Driver surcharges
DPS will assess a surcharge when the driver accumulates a total of six points or more on their record during a three-year period. The driver must pay a $100 surcharge for the first six points and $25 for each additional point.
Annual surcharges for certain convictions
Drivers who receive a conviction for DWI or a DWI-related offense, failure to maintain financial responsibility or driving while license invalid will pay an annual surcharge for a period of three years. No points are placed on driver records for these offenses because the fine is automatic on the first offense.
A first-time DWI results in a $1,000 surcharge, paid annually for three years. A second-time DWI results in a $1,500 surcharge, paid annually for three years. The charges are cumulative. For example a driver could pay $1,000 as a result of their first DWI and an additional $1,500 for their second DWI, paying a total of $2,500 annually.
A conviction for driving while license is invalid or failure to maintain financial responsibility results in a surcharge of $250, paid annually for three years. A driver who is convicted of driving without a valid license receives a $100 per year surcharge for three years.
The surcharge assessed for this program is in addition to other reinstatement fees required for other administrative actions.
DPS will assess a surcharge when the driver accumulates a total of six points or more on their record during a three-year period. The driver must pay a $100 surcharge for the first six points and $25 for each additional point.
Annual surcharges for certain convictions
Drivers who receive a conviction for DWI or a DWI-related offense, failure to maintain financial responsibility or driving while license invalid will pay an annual surcharge for a period of three years. No points are placed on driver records for these offenses because the fine is automatic on the first offense.
A first-time DWI results in a $1,000 surcharge, paid annually for three years. A second-time DWI results in a $1,500 surcharge, paid annually for three years. The charges are cumulative. For example a driver could pay $1,000 as a result of their first DWI and an additional $1,500 for their second DWI, paying a total of $2,500 annually.
A conviction for driving while license is invalid or failure to maintain financial responsibility results in a surcharge of $250, paid annually for three years. A driver who is convicted of driving without a valid license receives a $100 per year surcharge for three years.
The surcharge assessed for this program is in addition to other reinstatement fees required for other administrative actions.
07-02-2007, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DSIM
Really, I just got a ticket a few weeks ago in Dallas, and NOWHERE on the citation did it say that I would have to pay extra fees. Just listed the fine.
It started in Sept 05 ...
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Originally Posted by DSIM
Here is the list of convictions in Virginia where fees apply.... how does Texas' fees even compare to Virginia?????
07-02-2007, 12:03 PM
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A few more?????? TX DPS (your link) lists 4 convictions that are assessed "driver responsibility fees." Show me where Texas law says you have to pay an annual fee for "OBSCENE VIDEO IMAGE VISIBLE OUTSIDE VEHICLE....." Thats $300/year(see my list of fees for Virginia link).
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Originally Posted by DSIM
A few more?????? TX DPS (your link) lists 4 convictions that are assessed "driver responsibility fees." Show me where Texas law says you have to pay an annual fee for "OBSCENE VIDEO IMAGE VISIBLE OUTSIDE VEHICLE....." Thats $300/year(see my list of fees for Virginia link).
Either way, I admit that it's a bit overkill but the theory behind it is becoming pretty common
07-02-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Black_Tx_WS6
The "4" listed are very General - I'm pretty sure the "obscene video image ..." is included here in Texas but I would have to go find a very detailed list.
Either way, I admit that it's a bit overkill but the theory behind it is becoming pretty common
Either way, I admit that it's a bit overkill but the theory behind it is becoming pretty common
From here ...
Originally Posted by TRC § 708; Article 10, House Bill 3588
SUBCHAPTER C. SURCHARGES FOR CERTAIN CONVICTIONS AND LICENSE SUSPENSIONS
Sec. 708.101. NONAPPLICABILITY. This subchapter does not
apply to a conviction that became final before September 1, 2003.
Sec. 708.102. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF CERTAIN
INTOXICATED DRIVER OFFENSES.
(a) In this section, "offense
relating to the operating of a motor vehicle while intoxicated" has
the meaning assigned by Section 49.09, Penal Code.
(b) Each year the department shall assess a surcharge on the
license of each person who during the preceding 36-month period has
been finally convicted of an offense relating to the operating of a
motor vehicle while intoxicated.
(c) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $1,000
per year, except that the amount of the surcharge is:
(1) $1,500 per year for a second or subsequent
conviction within a 36-month period; and
(2) $2,000 for a first or subsequent conviction if it
is shown on the trial of the offense that an analysis of a specimen
of the person's blood, breath, or urine showed an alcohol
concentration level of 0.16 or more at the time the analysis was
performed.
(d) A surcharge under this section for the same conviction
may not be assessed in more than three years.
Sec. 708.103. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF DRIVING WHILE
LICENSE INVALID OR WITHOUT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.
(a) Each
year the department shall assess a surcharge on the license of each
person who during the preceding 36-month period has been convicted
of an offense under Section 521.457, 601.191, or 601.371.
(b) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $250 per
year.
Sec. 708.104. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF DRIVING WITHOUT
VALID LICENSE.
(a) Each year the department shall assess a
surcharge on the license of a person who during the preceding
36-month period has been convicted of an offense under Section
521.021.
(b) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $100 per
year.
(c) A surcharge under this section for the same conviction
may not be assessed in more than three years.
Sec. 708.101. NONAPPLICABILITY. This subchapter does not
apply to a conviction that became final before September 1, 2003.
Sec. 708.102. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF CERTAIN
INTOXICATED DRIVER OFFENSES.
(a) In this section, "offense
relating to the operating of a motor vehicle while intoxicated" has
the meaning assigned by Section 49.09, Penal Code.
(b) Each year the department shall assess a surcharge on the
license of each person who during the preceding 36-month period has
been finally convicted of an offense relating to the operating of a
motor vehicle while intoxicated.
(c) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $1,000
per year, except that the amount of the surcharge is:
(1) $1,500 per year for a second or subsequent
conviction within a 36-month period; and
(2) $2,000 for a first or subsequent conviction if it
is shown on the trial of the offense that an analysis of a specimen
of the person's blood, breath, or urine showed an alcohol
concentration level of 0.16 or more at the time the analysis was
performed.
(d) A surcharge under this section for the same conviction
may not be assessed in more than three years.
Sec. 708.103. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF DRIVING WHILE
LICENSE INVALID OR WITHOUT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.
(a) Each
year the department shall assess a surcharge on the license of each
person who during the preceding 36-month period has been convicted
of an offense under Section 521.457, 601.191, or 601.371.
(b) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $250 per
year.
Sec. 708.104. SURCHARGE FOR CONVICTION OF DRIVING WITHOUT
VALID LICENSE.
(a) Each year the department shall assess a
surcharge on the license of a person who during the preceding
36-month period has been convicted of an offense under Section
521.021.
(b) The amount of a surcharge under this section is $100 per
year.
(c) A surcharge under this section for the same conviction
may not be assessed in more than three years.
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DISM - I know for a fact that Speeding Tickets (10+ mph over) and any Moving Violation is a part of the Points System so I don't think that list is as detailed as it gets. But I do get the point that you're trying to make (Virginia went a bit extreme...)
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Yes, they are a part of the points system. I know that.
But the difference here is this...
In Texas if you get a speeding ticket for doing 80mph and get convicted, you pay the fines, and get the points. No big deal right? Just dont get over 6 points...
In Virginia if you get a speeding ticket for doing 80mph and get convicted, you pay the fines and Civil Remedial fees of $350/year for 3 years. NO MATTER WHAT!! Oh yea, and you have to pay the first yearly fee as soon as the Judge strikes the gavel down.
But the difference here is this...
In Texas if you get a speeding ticket for doing 80mph and get convicted, you pay the fines, and get the points. No big deal right? Just dont get over 6 points...
In Virginia if you get a speeding ticket for doing 80mph and get convicted, you pay the fines and Civil Remedial fees of $350/year for 3 years. NO MATTER WHAT!! Oh yea, and you have to pay the first yearly fee as soon as the Judge strikes the gavel down.
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Originally Posted by greggvh
So why is California crazy. After reading this shouldn't the title be...
I knew Texass was crazy... but VIRGINIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I knew Texass was crazy... but VIRGINIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Uhhhhh....
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Originally Posted by bcs
Also had a couple friends go to jail because of surcharges they didn't even know about. I hate this new law 
07-03-2007, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bcs
Also had a couple friends go to jail because of surcharges they didn't even know about. I hate this new law
From here
Originally Posted by TRC § 708; Article 10, House Bill 3588
Sec. 708.151. NOTICE OF SURCHARGE. The department shall
notify the holder of a driver's license of the assessment of a
surcharge on that license by first class mail sent to the person's
most recent address as shown on the records of the department. The
notice must specify the date by which the surcharge must be paid and
state the consequences of a failure to pay the surcharge.
notify the holder of a driver's license of the assessment of a
surcharge on that license by first class mail sent to the person's
most recent address as shown on the records of the department. The
notice must specify the date by which the surcharge must be paid and
state the consequences of a failure to pay the surcharge.
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Originally Posted by greggvh
So why is California crazy. After reading this shouldn't the title be...
I knew Texass was crazy... but VIRGINIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I knew Texass was crazy... but VIRGINIA?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Texas isnt crazy for instituting a points policy, nor a "surcharge" for such offenses as DWI and a suspended license. Most states are now doing that for extra revenue (Virginia is paying for roads with "civil fees" since it is state law that traffic fines MUST go to public education).
If you were to read that link with House Bill 3588, you would have noticed that right before article 10 (driver responsibility law), they talk about the Trans-Texas Corridor. This "surcharge system" is funding that.
We could go on and on and on and on and on about how crazy Hollywood-land is.