Help with the factory subs???
05-19-2002, 02:19 PM
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Help with the factory subs??? Does anyone know what the size of those subs is?
I could take the panels off but don't feel like going outside at this time (it’s probably close to 100 degrees out there......man I love AZ).
Anyone know of some good replacements?
I have the 5th channel of my Alpine amp running them and it puts out 300 WATTS at 4 ohms (somewhere I was told that those speakers are 2 ohms…..so it should equal more power than that). The factory ones are distorting.
I could take the panels off but don't feel like going outside at this time (it’s probably close to 100 degrees out there......man I love AZ).
Anyone know of some good replacements?
I have the 5th channel of my Alpine amp running them and it puts out 300 WATTS at 4 ohms (somewhere I was told that those speakers are 2 ohms…..so it should equal more power than that). The factory ones are distorting.
05-19-2002, 04:43 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? Its an oversized 6.5" dual voice coil. You only have to pop the grill off to get to them...not the whole panel. JL makes some nice 6.5" subs but I havent tried them in a fbody yet.
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05-19-2002, 07:21 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? Most of the popular car audio companies make a 6.5" midrange speaker. Checkout www.mmxpress.com
It is an oversized 6.5 or really a 6.75, but you can mkae a regular 6.5 fit. I measured my Focals to actually be 6 5/8.
Justin
It is an oversized 6.5 or really a 6.75, but you can mkae a regular 6.5 fit. I measured my Focals to actually be 6 5/8.
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05-19-2002, 09:03 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jsears8:
<strong>Most of the popular car audio companies make a 6.5" midrange speaker. Checkout www.mmxpress.com
It is an oversized 6.5 or really a 6.75, but you can mkae a regular 6.5 fit. I measured my Focals to actually be 6 5/8.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah my focals fit in just fine and they are 6 5/8.
<strong>Most of the popular car audio companies make a 6.5" midrange speaker. Checkout www.mmxpress.com
It is an oversized 6.5 or really a 6.75, but you can mkae a regular 6.5 fit. I measured my Focals to actually be 6 5/8.
Justin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah my focals fit in just fine and they are 6 5/8.
05-19-2002, 11:54 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>Its an oversized 6.5" dual voice coil. You only have to pop the grill off to get to them...not the whole panel. JL makes some nice 6.5" subs but I havent tried them in a fbody yet.
Kevin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope.. Camaro runs a single voice coil at 2 ohm.. Correct in the 6.5 inch though.. The fire birds have a 4 ohm DVC in them..
<strong>Its an oversized 6.5" dual voice coil. You only have to pop the grill off to get to them...not the whole panel. JL makes some nice 6.5" subs but I havent tried them in a fbody yet.
Kevin</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nope.. Camaro runs a single voice coil at 2 ohm.. Correct in the 6.5 inch though.. The fire birds have a 4 ohm DVC in them..
05-19-2002, 11:59 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? "Nope.. Camaro runs a single voice coil at 2 ohm.. Correct in the 6.5 inch though.. The fire birds have a 4 ohm DVC in them.."
damn.....firebirds get all the cool stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (jk) what is the advantage of a duel voice coil over a single?
<small>[ May 19, 2002, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: 2001CamaroGuy ]</small>
damn.....firebirds get all the cool stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (jk) what is the advantage of a duel voice coil over a single?
<small>[ May 19, 2002, 11:59 PM: Message edited by: 2001CamaroGuy ]</small>
05-20-2002, 01:32 AM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? Yea my bad. I was thinking of firebird for some reason. Regardless of what model they are junk. Guess I should have checked my own web page first lol.
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05-21-2002, 12:01 AM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2001CamaroGuy:
<strong>"Nope.. Camaro runs a single voice coil at 2 ohm.. Correct in the 6.5 inch though.. The fire birds have a 4 ohm DVC in them.."
damn.....firebirds get all the cool stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (jk) what is the advantage of a duel voice coil over a single?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DVC aren't always better.. But a DVC will allow you do run the speaker in different enviroments. It allows you to match the rest of your systems easier (Front and rear speakers at say 4 ohm, 8 ohm, 2 ohm).. A single DVC speaker that has both coils rated at 4 ohm can be run at 2ohm, 4 ohm or 8 ohm. Now if you have 2 DVC speakers with the coils rated at 4 ohm you can run them in 1 ohm, 2.66ohm, 4 ohm or 16 ohm..
Lets say your system is going to run at 4 ohm. You can do a few different things.
4 4ohm SVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 4ohm DVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 8ohm SVC wired in series to keep in 4 ohm
2 2ohm SVC wired in parallel to keep in 4 ohm
1 8ohm DVC wired in series
1 2ohm DVC wired in parallel
It comes down to how many speakers you want to run, how much power you plan to run to them, and the sound your looking for.
I hope that helped a little..
<strong>"Nope.. Camaro runs a single voice coil at 2 ohm.. Correct in the 6.5 inch though.. The fire birds have a 4 ohm DVC in them.."
damn.....firebirds get all the cool stuff <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (jk) what is the advantage of a duel voice coil over a single?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">DVC aren't always better.. But a DVC will allow you do run the speaker in different enviroments. It allows you to match the rest of your systems easier (Front and rear speakers at say 4 ohm, 8 ohm, 2 ohm).. A single DVC speaker that has both coils rated at 4 ohm can be run at 2ohm, 4 ohm or 8 ohm. Now if you have 2 DVC speakers with the coils rated at 4 ohm you can run them in 1 ohm, 2.66ohm, 4 ohm or 16 ohm..
Lets say your system is going to run at 4 ohm. You can do a few different things.
4 4ohm SVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 4ohm DVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 8ohm SVC wired in series to keep in 4 ohm
2 2ohm SVC wired in parallel to keep in 4 ohm
1 8ohm DVC wired in series
1 2ohm DVC wired in parallel
It comes down to how many speakers you want to run, how much power you plan to run to them, and the sound your looking for.
I hope that helped a little..
05-21-2002, 11:12 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LIL SS:
Lets say your system is going to run at 4 ohm. You can do a few different things.
4 4ohm SVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 4ohm DVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 8ohm SVC wired in series to keep in 4 ohm
2 2ohm SVC wired in parallel to keep in 4 ohm
1 8ohm DVC wired in series
1 2ohm DVC wired in parallel</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually..
2 8ohm SVC wired in parallel will be 4 ohms.
2 2 ohm SVCs wires in series will be 4 ohms.
1 8 ohm DVC wires in parallel will be 4 ohms.
1 2 ohm DVC wired in series will be 4 ohms.
Parallel lowers impedance and series raises impedance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan
Lets say your system is going to run at 4 ohm. You can do a few different things.
4 4ohm SVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 4ohm DVC wired in series/parallel to keep it in 4 ohm..
2 8ohm SVC wired in series to keep in 4 ohm
2 2ohm SVC wired in parallel to keep in 4 ohm
1 8ohm DVC wired in series
1 2ohm DVC wired in parallel</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually..
2 8ohm SVC wired in parallel will be 4 ohms.
2 2 ohm SVCs wires in series will be 4 ohms.
1 8 ohm DVC wires in parallel will be 4 ohms.
1 2 ohm DVC wired in series will be 4 ohms.
Parallel lowers impedance and series raises impedance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan
05-22-2002, 10:02 AM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually..
2 8ohm SVC wired in parallel will be 4 ohms.
2 2 ohm SVCs wires in series will be 4 ohms.
1 8 ohm DVC wires in parallel will be 4 ohms.
1 2 ohm DVC wired in series will be 4 ohms.
Parallel lowers impedance and series raises impedance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dan is right, When I wrote that I was spacing their for a sec. Sometimes my multi tasking skill is not always best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
2 8ohm SVC wired in parallel will be 4 ohms.
2 2 ohm SVCs wires in series will be 4 ohms.
1 8 ohm DVC wires in parallel will be 4 ohms.
1 2 ohm DVC wired in series will be 4 ohms.
Parallel lowers impedance and series raises impedance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dan is right, When I wrote that I was spacing their for a sec. Sometimes my multi tasking skill is not always best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="gr_emb.gif" />
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? The only purpose for DVCs is to allow more wiring options. Indirectly, this may lead to being louder because you can send more power to the speaker by lowering the impedance. Let me try to explain.
Let's say you've got a pair of subwoofers. One is a 4 ohm SVC and the other is a 4 ohm DVC (each coil is 4 ohms). By wiring the voice coils in parallel, you can effectively make the speaker a 2 ohm speaker (or in series, an 8 ohm speaker). By presenting a 2 ohm load to, for example, a mono subwoofer amplifier, you will be able to send more power to the DVC subwoofer (coils wired in parallel) than you will be able to with a 4 ohm SVC speaker. With many high-end amplifiers, their 2 ohm output is twice or nearly twice that of their 4 ohm output. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan
Let's say you've got a pair of subwoofers. One is a 4 ohm SVC and the other is a 4 ohm DVC (each coil is 4 ohms). By wiring the voice coils in parallel, you can effectively make the speaker a 2 ohm speaker (or in series, an 8 ohm speaker). By presenting a 2 ohm load to, for example, a mono subwoofer amplifier, you will be able to send more power to the DVC subwoofer (coils wired in parallel) than you will be able to with a 4 ohm SVC speaker. With many high-end amplifiers, their 2 ohm output is twice or nearly twice that of their 4 ohm output. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan
05-22-2002, 03:25 PM
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Re: Help with the factory subs??? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Blistering Z:
<strong>The only purpose for DVCs is to allow more wiring options. Indirectly, this may lead to being louder because you can send more power to the speaker by lowering the impedance. Let me try to explain.
Let's say you've got a pair of subwoofers. One is a 4 ohm SVC and the other is a 4 ohm DVC (each coil is 4 ohms). By wiring the voice coils in parallel, you can effectively make the speaker a 2 ohm speaker (or in series, an 8 ohm speaker). By presenting a 2 ohm load to, for example, a mono subwoofer amplifier, you will be able to send more power to the DVC subwoofer (coils wired in parallel) than you will be able to with a 4 ohm SVC speaker. With many high-end amplifiers, their 2 ohm output is twice or nearly twice that of their 4 ohm output. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not exactly sending more power, it just has less resistance so it acts like more power.
Think of it this way, a 1 inch pipe can only flow so much water right, a 2 inch pipe will flow a lot more right? This is becuase there is less resistance and more volume of space in the 2 inch pipe.
Power to a speaker is sort of the same, when you have less resistance in ohm's it reacts as though your pipe is bigger. How ever, this doesn't mean you will have more volume. A 12 inch speaker with 1 inch of movement can only move so much air regardless of how many voice coils it has. Moving the air is what makes volume and feeling.
With that, what Blistering Z said above should make more sense. A 100 watt amp is going to be able to push a 4ohm DVC in parallel (2ohm) better than a 4 ohm SVC as there is less resistance.
I hope that made sense..
<strong>The only purpose for DVCs is to allow more wiring options. Indirectly, this may lead to being louder because you can send more power to the speaker by lowering the impedance. Let me try to explain.
Let's say you've got a pair of subwoofers. One is a 4 ohm SVC and the other is a 4 ohm DVC (each coil is 4 ohms). By wiring the voice coils in parallel, you can effectively make the speaker a 2 ohm speaker (or in series, an 8 ohm speaker). By presenting a 2 ohm load to, for example, a mono subwoofer amplifier, you will be able to send more power to the DVC subwoofer (coils wired in parallel) than you will be able to with a 4 ohm SVC speaker. With many high-end amplifiers, their 2 ohm output is twice or nearly twice that of their 4 ohm output. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Dan</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not exactly sending more power, it just has less resistance so it acts like more power.
Think of it this way, a 1 inch pipe can only flow so much water right, a 2 inch pipe will flow a lot more right? This is becuase there is less resistance and more volume of space in the 2 inch pipe.
Power to a speaker is sort of the same, when you have less resistance in ohm's it reacts as though your pipe is bigger. How ever, this doesn't mean you will have more volume. A 12 inch speaker with 1 inch of movement can only move so much air regardless of how many voice coils it has. Moving the air is what makes volume and feeling.
With that, what Blistering Z said above should make more sense. A 100 watt amp is going to be able to push a 4ohm DVC in parallel (2ohm) better than a 4 ohm SVC as there is less resistance.
I hope that made sense..