Project: Stang' Bang: New Edge Turbo Build... class? Track?
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Project: Stang' Bang: New Edge Turbo Build... class? Track? Here goes, Thanks for all the insight and time talking with me Phil.
Project Stang' Bang-
99 mustang
5.3 Litre (will forge when it breaks, already collecting parts)
Borg S475 (will upgrade to s88 after this year)
Boost control is undecided...
Comp Cam
powerglide
8.8" ford rear end (undecided on gear choice, could use some help)
E85
AJE everything and Team Z out back.
Holley HP EFI with their Coils
Triple walbro fuel system with full return and Aero 1000 reg.
Local class starting up, i was originally gonna do an RX7, long story short, its gone, enter New Edge.
Anyway, local class, 76mm max, 3400lb with innercooler. I was originally gonna build the motor all out, and go with the 88mm turbo, but this class opened up and i saw a way into a heads up class utlizing what i already have and learning the ropes. So this is what we are doing for atleast the first season. Maybe 2. Class is designed to be a 5.7 to 6.x class. 1/8th miles, heads up, with some rules about breaking out, weight penalty for going faster. I wont win, i only hope to qualify. Basically same story as before, only with less power.
Inspiration for this build is obvious, Phil and the renegade, Thanks for all the help Phil!
Went down and met Jimmy from AJE and we discussed the project in length, and worked with me on the parts ill need and gave me some good pointers for the radial stuff. We are gonna work out the front suspension in the spring before the season starts. Great people down their and was more then willing to sit and talk for a few hours. Even gave me solid mount with my k member, I think some people thought they didnt offer them, he whipped me up a new member with solids right before my eyes.
Anyway, got the welder back two days ago and dont plan to waste anytime, im still up in the air about the headers/manifolds, the stainless JBA gto headers i was gonna use wont fit, so im either gonna have to use corvette manifolds or man up and make a set, but i suck, so thats probably out of the question.
Project Stang' Bang-
99 mustang
5.3 Litre (will forge when it breaks, already collecting parts)
Borg S475 (will upgrade to s88 after this year)
Boost control is undecided...
Comp Cam
powerglide
8.8" ford rear end (undecided on gear choice, could use some help)
E85
AJE everything and Team Z out back.
Holley HP EFI with their Coils
Triple walbro fuel system with full return and Aero 1000 reg.
Local class starting up, i was originally gonna do an RX7, long story short, its gone, enter New Edge.
Anyway, local class, 76mm max, 3400lb with innercooler. I was originally gonna build the motor all out, and go with the 88mm turbo, but this class opened up and i saw a way into a heads up class utlizing what i already have and learning the ropes. So this is what we are doing for atleast the first season. Maybe 2. Class is designed to be a 5.7 to 6.x class. 1/8th miles, heads up, with some rules about breaking out, weight penalty for going faster. I wont win, i only hope to qualify. Basically same story as before, only with less power.
Inspiration for this build is obvious, Phil and the renegade, Thanks for all the help Phil!
Went down and met Jimmy from AJE and we discussed the project in length, and worked with me on the parts ill need and gave me some good pointers for the radial stuff. We are gonna work out the front suspension in the spring before the season starts. Great people down their and was more then willing to sit and talk for a few hours. Even gave me solid mount with my k member, I think some people thought they didnt offer them, he whipped me up a new member with solids right before my eyes.
Anyway, got the welder back two days ago and dont plan to waste anytime, im still up in the air about the headers/manifolds, the stainless JBA gto headers i was gonna use wont fit, so im either gonna have to use corvette manifolds or man up and make a set, but i suck, so thats probably out of the question.
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Time for a little Update...
My good buddy Dave, whom will be my primary hand in help for this project, came over around noon today. we ate some Ball Park, Deli Style hot dogs which are amazing, and then got to work.
Started off with the picture above, noting gone from the engine bay except the engine and trans. Removed the stock Kmember and all the supporting hardware and replaced with the AJE cross member and stock a arms. I know, they are ugly, but i needed to get the car down and around the approx ride height to start other projects. I did this by Cutting 1.5 coils out of each front spring, and it brought it down to approx where it will be. This was calculated using no math, just a guess and it came out about right, LMAO! Hey, if Foose can do it, so can I!
Anyway, After getting the Kmember in, we decided to get the motor in, this was set back due to needing to drill a hole in the engine block for the oil dipstick tube. 04' LM4 and Fbody Pan equals no hole for oil dipstick. Trust me, just the boss was their, no hole, no plug, no nothing. SO we drilled it out.
After that, we decided to button it back up and mount drop the motor into its final resting place (for this season, next season, car will change colors and all the visual aspects will be addressed).
Anyway, everything is back on for the moment, and this is how she sits, and i will begin fabricating the new turbo setup once the new manifold gets here, when the valve springs get here, the new cam will go in. and i will move forward with plumbing and wiring. Getting their. Uhg..
Also, turbo placement is not final, although this is what i would like the most it might end up mounted very similar to Dville's fox build. Depends on how i feel about it. Ive got enough piping to do it both ways. We'll see.
OH, and ALSO, the AJE piece, TOP quality, i had absolutely ZERO fitment issues, it bolted right in with ZERO problems.
Would like to gain a little more clearance in the front, which water pump and pulley setup is the slimmest? Not to mention, i cannot run this water pump anyhow...
My good buddy Dave, whom will be my primary hand in help for this project, came over around noon today. we ate some Ball Park, Deli Style hot dogs which are amazing, and then got to work.
Started off with the picture above, noting gone from the engine bay except the engine and trans. Removed the stock Kmember and all the supporting hardware and replaced with the AJE cross member and stock a arms. I know, they are ugly, but i needed to get the car down and around the approx ride height to start other projects. I did this by Cutting 1.5 coils out of each front spring, and it brought it down to approx where it will be. This was calculated using no math, just a guess and it came out about right, LMAO! Hey, if Foose can do it, so can I!
Anyway, After getting the Kmember in, we decided to get the motor in, this was set back due to needing to drill a hole in the engine block for the oil dipstick tube. 04' LM4 and Fbody Pan equals no hole for oil dipstick. Trust me, just the boss was their, no hole, no plug, no nothing. SO we drilled it out.
After that, we decided to button it back up and mount drop the motor into its final resting place (for this season, next season, car will change colors and all the visual aspects will be addressed).
Anyway, everything is back on for the moment, and this is how she sits, and i will begin fabricating the new turbo setup once the new manifold gets here, when the valve springs get here, the new cam will go in. and i will move forward with plumbing and wiring. Getting their. Uhg..
Also, turbo placement is not final, although this is what i would like the most it might end up mounted very similar to Dville's fox build. Depends on how i feel about it. Ive got enough piping to do it both ways. We'll see.
OH, and ALSO, the AJE piece, TOP quality, i had absolutely ZERO fitment issues, it bolted right in with ZERO problems.
Would like to gain a little more clearance in the front, which water pump and pulley setup is the slimmest? Not to mention, i cannot run this water pump anyhow...
12-27-2011, 12:58 PM
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one thing to think about with that mounting is you will have to run a small custom radiator and a custom inter cooler (assuming a2a), for me this wasn't an option since i am running air conditioning and i couldn't size a condenser that much smaller (not to mention it takes a 31" x 19" x 4" thick aluminum dual pass radiator to keep it cool w/ac on). not sure how much street duty it'll see, but the pinch weld like i have mine does have it's advantages.
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Thanks man, I hadn't really decided on how much street duty its going to see.
Im def still up in the air on the placement, ill need to figure it out quick though as the new manifold should be here by the end of the week. So ill try and get cracking this weekend.
Thanks for the heads up Dville,
Oh, also, no a/c for me
Im def still up in the air on the placement, ill need to figure it out quick though as the new manifold should be here by the end of the week. So ill try and get cracking this weekend.
Thanks for the heads up Dville,
Oh, also, no a/c for me
12-27-2011, 01:21 PM
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Thanks man, I hadn't really decided on how much street duty its going to see.
Im def still up in the air on the placement, ill need to figure it out quick though as the new manifold should be here by the end of the week. So ill try and get cracking this weekend.
Thanks for the heads up Dville,
Oh, also, no a/c for me
Im def still up in the air on the placement, ill need to figure it out quick though as the new manifold should be here by the end of the week. So ill try and get cracking this weekend.
Thanks for the heads up Dville,
Oh, also, no a/c for me
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Open 5" for the win, going out driver side fender in front of the wheel as well, lol.
I ran an open 3" on the 6.0/tc78 combo on my GTO last year and it wasnt all that terrible, the turbo's do a good job of calming them down, im sure this one being much larger and much less restriction will be louder, but what the hell right?, its a race car.
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I sent you a PM as well bro.
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Dave, Rich is on his way here RIGHT NOW with the 8.8.
Valve springs will be here by friday.
We have some things to do this weekend
Stay tuned all, progress is being made, also, been talking with DIY autotune, MS3X is possibly on its way to my home...
Oh, got tracking info, new exhaust manifold will here on the 3rd, turbo kit will be started at that point.
12-28-2011, 09:51 PM
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Love new edge stangs, especially with LS motors and turbo's. Mind posting the rules up for this class? Sounds similar to the NDRRA RS275 class, just that they are running low 5.40's here in NC with the 76mm's at 3250-3300ish although there are several that have to weigh 3400 and run 5.50's.
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Love new edge stangs, especially with LS motors and turbo's. Mind posting the rules up for this class? Sounds similar to the NDRRA RS275 class, just that they are running low 5.40's here in NC with the 76mm's at 3250-3300ish although there are several that have to weigh 3400 and run 5.50's.
From preliminary stuff, 3350 for 76mm and sb. 3400 with IC and another 50lbs for a Stand alone ECM/PCM.
They are going to make this class stay 5.70 from what they are saying. Adding weight to us if we go faster then 5.70 etc. When they finalize them, i will be sure to post them up.
They are telling us its a done deal, so im working towards it.
12-28-2011, 10:27 PM
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The rules are not final, but we have been told they will be Jan. 2nd. Thats when they are trying to finalize them.
From preliminary stuff, 3350 for 76mm and sb. 3400 with IC and another 50lbs for a Stand alone ECM/PCM.
They are going to make this class stay 5.70 from what they are saying. Adding weight to us if we go faster then 5.70 etc. When they finalize them, i will be sure to post them up.
They are telling us its a done deal, so im working towards it.
From preliminary stuff, 3350 for 76mm and sb. 3400 with IC and another 50lbs for a Stand alone ECM/PCM.
They are going to make this class stay 5.70 from what they are saying. Adding weight to us if we go faster then 5.70 etc. When they finalize them, i will be sure to post them up.
They are telling us its a done deal, so im working towards it.
Seems like this is a popular type class that is popping up.
12-28-2011, 11:46 PM
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Yea they can weigh 3300 with a sb under 440 c.i. and a 76mm, add 100lbs for an a2w, add 100lbs for aftermarket ecu, add 50lbs for aftermarket heads on ls motors. I know the two top turbo cars in that class are actually on E85 and are non intercooled, one runs meth inj. and the other doesn't. Meth injection or a2a is allowed at 3150 but non i/c gets to lose 50lbs. so they weigh 3100 and one runs 5.40's one runs 5.50's.
Seems like this is a popular type class that is popping up.
Seems like this is a popular type class that is popping up.