New product... What do you want to see?
07-07-2014, 06:08 PM
#381
U may already make these or know somebody who does? I'm lookn for the little triangle piece with the rubber trim that is urethaned on to the front corner of the sail panel on a 2000 camaro. I'm sure camaro and ta are the same but I thought I saw somebody making them from carbon fiber if so I'd like to know who? Anybody know feel free 2 pm me!
07-07-2014, 06:09 PM
#383
Those were offered in the past by a few vendors (including 6LE, if I remember correctly), but decreasing interest/sales led to them being discontinued.
I think 6LE still does hydrodipping. However, I've never seen a hydrodipped carbon-fiber look-a-like that actually looked real. They all look a bit off.
I think 6LE still does hydrodipping. However, I've never seen a hydrodipped carbon-fiber look-a-like that actually looked real. They all look a bit off.
07-07-2014, 06:10 PM
#384
Yeah IMHO $ talks and B/S walks, 6LE just reoffered their rear firebird diffusers at a killer price for 10 units on a preorder. Guess what, they still don't have 10 units sold! Everybody talks about what they want but when its time to pony the up the $, its a different story. These guys can't front all of these projects. Be interested to hear how many sets of custom T/A tail light lenses they sold, I bet the numbers would shock you. (not many!) I am thankful Mark & Co are here to offer cool stuff for our 4th gen cars, lets face it, 4th gens are now in the same boat as 3rd gens as far as aftermarket parts go; 5th gens have stole the show in aftermarket parts but that's where the $ is. (rant off) 
Thanks 6LE!
Thanks 6LE!
07-07-2014, 09:41 PM
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Thanks again 6LE for listening to all our suggestions....
07-08-2014, 05:04 PM
#387
We can make the photoshopped splitter but it would be expensive. $600 + shipping is our quote... Now the price could go down, issue is what it is made out of...
Urethane, it would be cheap to MAKE but not produce. The part would be much cheaper (not quality just price) BUT the mold is around $10K. We would need about THIRTY orders at $400 (+ OR - SHIPPING, don't know yet) or else we'd have to double the price at 10 orders and still be way negative.
Fiberglass/CF the molds are cheaper, about 4K to 5K, but the finished product is more expensive. Hence $600 but only needing 10 pre-orders.
Urethane, it would be cheap to MAKE but not produce. The part would be much cheaper (not quality just price) BUT the mold is around $10K. We would need about THIRTY orders at $400 (+ OR - SHIPPING, don't know yet) or else we'd have to double the price at 10 orders and still be way negative.
Fiberglass/CF the molds are cheaper, about 4K to 5K, but the finished product is more expensive. Hence $600 but only needing 10 pre-orders.
That would be a cheap way to make a realistic prototype and method that alot of fab shops use to proto custom body parts initially. Its like shaping clay only your using a mixture of a sander and sand paper by hand on styrofoam. If you guy want to pursue this, Id be happy to create more images of splitter I desiged at more specific angles.
I have a couple ideas on the Camaro taillights. If we could chat on the phone sometime, thatd be great.... Shoot me a pm.
07-08-2014, 11:07 PM
#388
If the splitter looked like the one in the picture, was legit like that, I would pay the $600 tomorrow. No BS say I would and not.
If you could build it to match the photoshop renderings and we could approve of those before, I would pay before it was made.
I know it's hard to make theses things before having a commitment though, but it's hard to pay for a product that is not yet produced. Maybe we need kick starter here.
Bottom line, if its like the photo shop and we can see multiple angles and it can be produced to match, count me in.
If you could build it to match the photoshop renderings and we could approve of those before, I would pay before it was made.
I know it's hard to make theses things before having a commitment though, but it's hard to pay for a product that is not yet produced. Maybe we need kick starter here.
Bottom line, if its like the photo shop and we can see multiple angles and it can be produced to match, count me in.
07-09-2014, 12:06 AM
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I'll probably just attach an emblem to my existing billet grille. Thanks though.
I really would love a pair of the Led tail lights but $500 is out of my budget (and many others) for tail lights. What do you have in mind with the lights you posted that you currently offer?
I really would love a pair of the Led tail lights but $500 is out of my budget (and many others) for tail lights. What do you have in mind with the lights you posted that you currently offer?
07-09-2014, 07:14 PM
#392
Just on the curiosity side, how much would a proper urethane bumper cap cost per unit to produce? I say urethane as opposed to fiberglass, as those things are nowhere near 5mph due to how inflexible fiberglass can be. We've all seen the imports with cracked up ground effects, and let's face it, no one wants to be that guy.
I'm a Transportation (Car) Designer in Southern California, and I've always wanted to do a bit of tweaking to the Trans Am front end. If there were some interest (and the opportunity to get one for myself), I'd put some work into a handsome upgrade. My thoughts go along the lines of KLRWS6's work below, but with possibly integrating the splitter into the mold. Other changes include:
If there is interest, I can work up some Photoshops, but ultimately it is possible to scan a factory-correct car and import the data for building the piece in 3D. Final tooling would be CNC'ed. However, that's where my part would end, as I'm a designer and not a production house or retailer.
I'm a Transportation (Car) Designer in Southern California, and I've always wanted to do a bit of tweaking to the Trans Am front end. If there were some interest (and the opportunity to get one for myself), I'd put some work into a handsome upgrade. My thoughts go along the lines of KLRWS6's work below, but with possibly integrating the splitter into the mold. Other changes include:
- Lower the bottom edge of the scoops on the outboard edges
- License plate mount relocated to splitter (horizontal)
- LED DRL/directionals integrated into a continuous strip instead of individual LEDS
- Possible foglight delete (don't really need 'em and LEDs)
- More vertical center (where bird is) instead of the "tucked in" look
- Removal of side strakes that originally split the side intakes
- Better coverage of the front part of the tire (less tuck under the car)
If there is interest, I can work up some Photoshops, but ultimately it is possible to scan a factory-correct car and import the data for building the piece in 3D. Final tooling would be CNC'ed. However, that's where my part would end, as I'm a designer and not a production house or retailer.
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07-09-2014, 09:57 PM
#394
All of that is possible but getting into that type of production you're easily looking at around $30k.
Just for example, doing a smaller piece like our valances... Now, there was no 3D scanning involved. For the CME we just bought the mold that already existed. For the DE Valance we cut up a CME, and made an injection mold out of the new design.
That piece is relatively small and straight forward and yet it still costs $7k 5 years ago and now is $7K to $9K depending where you go.
Just for example, doing a smaller piece like our valances... Now, there was no 3D scanning involved. For the CME we just bought the mold that already existed. For the DE Valance we cut up a CME, and made an injection mold out of the new design.
That piece is relatively small and straight forward and yet it still costs $7k 5 years ago and now is $7K to $9K depending where you go.
07-10-2014, 07:27 PM
#395
I am curious as to the cost breakdown of that $30K. Is it mostly the tooling (male and female mold faces)?
3D scanning these days is not too difficult. A silver car wouldn't even need marker dots applied, and a handheld scanner could input points. Once you have some data mapped, it takes time to start building surfaces around this, as it's not like the movies where you can just scan a shape into the computer. Once the final shape is built, shelled for material thickness, .iges or other type data can be exported for a (admittedly expensive) prototype part. If that fits, molds can be made from this part, or molds can be CNC'ed from the 3D data.
It is also possible to hand-mold these shapes through clay modeling, shaping foams or other substrates, but I much prefer the digital method. At the very least, it yields perfect symmetry.
Like I said, it's just one of those projects I've always had in the back of my head. Like everyone else here, I have many other projects keeping me busy, but this seemed as good a time as any to broach the subject. Plus, I just noticed you're also based in SoCal, only about 30-45 minutes from me, so who knows what could come of it.
3D scanning these days is not too difficult. A silver car wouldn't even need marker dots applied, and a handheld scanner could input points. Once you have some data mapped, it takes time to start building surfaces around this, as it's not like the movies where you can just scan a shape into the computer. Once the final shape is built, shelled for material thickness, .iges or other type data can be exported for a (admittedly expensive) prototype part. If that fits, molds can be made from this part, or molds can be CNC'ed from the 3D data.
It is also possible to hand-mold these shapes through clay modeling, shaping foams or other substrates, but I much prefer the digital method. At the very least, it yields perfect symmetry.
Like I said, it's just one of those projects I've always had in the back of my head. Like everyone else here, I have many other projects keeping me busy, but this seemed as good a time as any to broach the subject. Plus, I just noticed you're also based in SoCal, only about 30-45 minutes from me, so who knows what could come of it.
07-11-2014, 07:54 AM
#398
Mark yall have such a good rep with RK sport I know I hear a lot of guys looking for the vert light bars (mock roll bar, like mine) they used to make for 4th gens, they still make light bars but just for 5th gens and mustangs, maybe they/ya'll can get a run of some more 4th gen light bars made, they fit both camaro and firebird 4th gens. I would troll the vert section and get a feel for this, I would imagine you could sell these on eBay too. Just a thought. 
07-11-2014, 02:05 PM
#400
Mark yall have such a good rep with RK sport I know I hear a lot of guys looking for the vert light bars (mock roll bar, like mine) they used to make for 4th gens, they still make light bars but just for 5th gens and mustangs, maybe they/ya'll can get a run of some more 4th gen light bars made, they fit both camaro and firebird 4th gens. I would troll the vert section and get a feel for this, I would imagine you could sell these on eBay too. Just a thought.