4l65e 4WD to 2WD
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Launching!
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4l65e 4WD to 2WD Hi All.
Thinking about doings this work myself - I know its a teardown (but not a rebuild). Coming out of a H2 vehicle with only 60k miles.
Process seems somewhat simple .... high level
<REMOVE IN ORDER>
PUMP WASHER AND PUMP
GASKET
2ND GEAR BAND and BAND ANCHOR
REVERSE DRUM
INPUT DRUM
TOP PLANET
SUN GEAR
SNAP RING
OUTPUT SHAFT
Put in 2WD shaft and reassemble.
Any good links on process - figure someone has done this before.
1) Any tips/hints
2) Any special tools ?
3) Any other considerations ?
thanks !!
Thinking about doings this work myself - I know its a teardown (but not a rebuild). Coming out of a H2 vehicle with only 60k miles.
Process seems somewhat simple .... high level
<REMOVE IN ORDER>
PUMP WASHER AND PUMP
GASKET
2ND GEAR BAND and BAND ANCHOR
REVERSE DRUM
INPUT DRUM
TOP PLANET
SUN GEAR
SNAP RING
OUTPUT SHAFT
Put in 2WD shaft and reassemble.
Any good links on process - figure someone has done this before.
1) Any tips/hints
2) Any special tools ?
3) Any other considerations ?
thanks !!
TECH Junkie
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You're prettymuch going to be tearing the whole trans down. To get the band out you need to pull the valve body to get the anchor out. If you're taking it down that far, there really is no logical reason to not toss fresh clutches in it and do very basic mods.
I guess you don't HAVE to...but it dowsn't make any sense not to.
And yes there are 100 good writeups online on how to rebuild the 60e. Skip the parts you don't need. Even better yet, just buy an ATSG manual.
I guess you don't HAVE to...but it dowsn't make any sense not to.
And yes there are 100 good writeups online on how to rebuild the 60e. Skip the parts you don't need. Even better yet, just buy an ATSG manual.
So be careful with that 'I'll just tear it down and slap it back together' thing because Murphys law is lingering right over your head the whole time.
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Another vote for going through the whole thing. No way would I not go through the input drum at the VERY least while it's out.
What vehicle is this going to be going in?
Transmission bench on you tube are very good start to finish rebuild videos.
There are also a few good start to finish threads on this site.
Here is mine....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic...e-rebuild.html
And here is another member's......
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic...ld-thread.html
What vehicle is this going to be going in?
Transmission bench on you tube are very good start to finish rebuild videos.
There are also a few good start to finish threads on this site.
Here is mine....
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic...e-rebuild.html
And here is another member's......
https://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic...ld-thread.html
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Launching!
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ok
Ill look into a few more videos and the ATSG manuals etc.
Recommendations on tools for the clutch packs sealing rings etc and special tools needed then ?
I have a buddy that owns a shop and rebuilds transmissions. I might be able to get him to help for some $$ ...... hes's just super busy all teh time and some drive aways ....... so hate to pull favors like that unless I really have to.
Ill look into a few more videos and the ATSG manuals etc.
Recommendations on tools for the clutch packs sealing rings etc and special tools needed then ?
I have a buddy that owns a shop and rebuilds transmissions. I might be able to get him to help for some $$ ...... hes's just super busy all teh time and some drive aways ....... so hate to pull favors like that unless I really have to.
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From: White Bear, Mn
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Launching!
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Also
Ill finish the thread off with a few last questions. Then off to do some more research.
(1)
This book any good as a companion to ATSG ?
(2)
Who has a good recommendation on VB complete build (ebay or specific builder etc). Link ?
(3)
Standard input and output shaft ok up to 400 RWHP ?
(4) These videos worth it ?
http://transmissionbench.com/videospage.html
Also his prices for parts seem just a tad high ...... anyone got a good recommendation for getting good priced components.
thx all !!
Ill finish the thread off with a few last questions. Then off to do some more research.
(1)
This book any good as a companion to ATSG ?
(2)
Who has a good recommendation on VB complete build (ebay or specific builder etc). Link ?
(3)
Standard input and output shaft ok up to 400 RWHP ?
(4) These videos worth it ?
http://transmissionbench.com/videospage.html
Also his prices for parts seem just a tad high ...... anyone got a good recommendation for getting good priced components.
thx all !!
TECH Junkie
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From: White Bear, Mn
Also
Ill finish the thread off with a few last questions. Then off to do some more research.
(1)
This book any good as a companion to ATSG ?
https://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Ove...ct_top?ie=UTF8
(2)
Who has a good recommendation on VB complete build (ebay or specific builder etc). Link ?
(3)
Standard input and output shaft ok up to 400 RWHP ?
(4) These videos worth it ?
http://transmissionbench.com/videospage.html
Also his prices for parts seem just a tad high ...... anyone got a good recommendation for getting good priced components.
thx all !!
Ill finish the thread off with a few last questions. Then off to do some more research.
(1)
This book any good as a companion to ATSG ?
https://www.amazon.com/Automatic-Ove...ct_top?ie=UTF8
(2)
Who has a good recommendation on VB complete build (ebay or specific builder etc). Link ?
(3)
Standard input and output shaft ok up to 400 RWHP ?
(4) These videos worth it ?
http://transmissionbench.com/videospage.html
Also his prices for parts seem just a tad high ...... anyone got a good recommendation for getting good priced components.
thx all !!
2.
3. From what I have gathered you are fine. I'm well over 400 whp without issue
4. Punch in Transmission Bench 4l60e on you tube
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Launching!
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Well thats why I originally went down the just pulling the components apart and not full rebuild.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools.
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools.
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
TECH Junkie
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From: Iowa
Well thats why I originally went down the just pulling the components apart and not full rebuild.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools. The 3/4's are the most failure prone component in these trans. if you have a flathead screwdriver you can at least replace the clutches. If you want to go the quick and easy route like you're saying, please at least change these clutches because it takes nothing special
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools. The 3/4's are the most failure prone component in these trans. if you have a flathead screwdriver you can at least replace the clutches. If you want to go the quick and easy route like you're saying, please at least change these clutches because it takes nothing special
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
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^^ thanks on the 3/4
I can weld some tools like the link provided if needed.
Seems most issues are from reading
1) Checkballs in VB and 2nd gear band
2) OEM sunshell
3) 3/4 clutch packs
4) bearings in pump
If I have to rebuild it I will ........ just didnt plan for it in terms of project. I think I could do it with video just replacing everything AS IS
where it gets hard (I think) is when you make adjustments to improve it - use different clutches/seals/components oustide of stock kit. Gets confusing and requires knowledge.
Obviously this is all with 10 mins of trans knowledge
I can weld some tools like the link provided if needed.
Seems most issues are from reading
1) Checkballs in VB and 2nd gear band
2) OEM sunshell
3) 3/4 clutch packs
4) bearings in pump
If I have to rebuild it I will ........ just didnt plan for it in terms of project. I think I could do it with video just replacing everything AS IS
where it gets hard (I think) is when you make adjustments to improve it - use different clutches/seals/components oustide of stock kit. Gets confusing and requires knowledge.
Obviously this is all with 10 mins of trans knowledge
Well thats why I originally went down the just pulling the components apart and not full rebuild.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools.
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
Pull VB
Pull Pump
Pull Front Drum
Pull Band
Pull a few planetarys etc and then swpa shaft.
Then reassemble.
"Seemed" like something that could be done without special tools or too much time.
But havent done it before.
Seems most things its worth going through all the clutches at that point. But its generally the clutches and the seals that require special tools.
so .... *shrug*.....
If I can find someone to do a 2WD/4WD swap I will probably go that route. But dont know how popular or long will wait for that to happen plus who knows how good the 2WD trans is when I get it.
Most guys seem to want $2k for a trans build. Even a bench build. No real upgrades except for a new TC.
so.
I've done the swap before. If the transmission is new enough or been rebuilt before you can do it with no new gaskets or anything.
And I'd like to say for the record, the clip on the end of the output shaft is called a Lock Ring and you need lock ring pliers to easily remove it. Not snap ring pliers.
Yet I have seen people refer to it as a snap ring, say they are using snap ring pliers and they have lock ring pliers in their hand.
It makes it way easier to use the right tools.
FWIW I removed one with three long screws in a junkyard once. I ruined it but I got what I needed. Took me a while.