ThisBlood147

I don't know......considering the Camaro was the big hot thing this year (especially after an 8 year hiatus) that had plenty of hype going for it.....and the Mustang was basically the same ole same ole from the last 5 years, just with a styling refresh. I'd say it really should have been a blowout for the Camaro over the Mustang sales wise.....even with the 3 month deficit. I don't knock the new Camaro's sales potential. I know it's going to sell well this year. But maybe we should wait and see how it sells over the next 2 or 3 years before we start claiming it as the best selling ponycar evar.

Truly, I don't know why so many people are so pissy/touchy/defensive about the new 5.0 GT. Look at it this way: for the first in a long time (maybe forever), you're going to have a Mustang and a Camaro model offering similar performance for practically the same price. How can anyone complain about that?

Just like a down-to-the-last-minute race with the two front-runners running neck n neck as the finish line approaches........this next year is going to be a helluva ride for the American ponycar market.

Irunelevens

Uh... what?

Ke^in

Yes, the interior in the 98-02 Fbodies are not cheap at all. Pure class.
How many 6cyl family sedans run 13.9s in the quarter?
Not even close. Go back, try again. (Actually don't. You failed so badly the first time)

I went to actual dealers at the time. the Z28s were selling for almost 7k more NEW. Used they are still selling for more. I don't know of ANY PLACE I could get a brand new Z28 for 23k.

Ke^in

Exactly. It should have sold MORE than the Mustang did. But did not.
So far that title belongs to the Stang.
Indeed.

assasinator

enjoyed the read. a few points.

1. the ford GT supercar/gt500 heads didnt flow enough for power goals, so new heads were designed. this motor makes more power and torque than a BOSS 290 5.4 4v from 5.0 liters. these heads outflow GT heads.

2. the 2011 mustang shares the platform with the 2010. that means raiator supports, light weight k-members, etc will bolt on. = lighter weight than stock.

3. the tivct means wide torque band.

4. 7000 rpm shifts = the 2011 is still in lower gear as other cars have to shift = better acceleration.

5. S197 stangs hook better than any other stang off the line, even with smaller tires.

6. the aftermarket WILL make this a beast. ported heads. short runner intake for HP. not torque = significant upper rpm power. long tubes. off road X-pipes. 4.56 gears. 4" CAI. bigger throttle bodies.

in the end this thing is going to do just fine.

this IS a modular motor. same bore centers as all others.



TUNE IT. what will a race tune do?

assasinator

60' times will murder the gt500. just look at 350 rwhp 2005 - 2010 bolt on stangs. this should be in the 370rwhp range.

it will do no worse than any 370rwhp f-body. you guys know how they run.

assasinator

official msrp is 33,400 for the 2011 mustang gt, it will sell for that.

Ke^in

At least the 10/2011 looks good. I wasn't a fan of the 2005-2009 look so much. The 2010-11 looks like a mish-mash of 04 and 05 Mustangs. It gives it a more modern look.

TransFan

To kevin
You say the camaro should have sold more but it didn't. You should realize 3 months of not being sold is a big difference. It would have easily outsold the mustang.

To answer your question about sedans beating GT's. I have beat a pre 05 GT(with axleback) in my stock 4 door 3.5. There are plenty of 6cyl sedans that would beat a GT. Plenty...

02ws666

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let me put it this way. the fbody has owned the mustangs of its generation, and of the newer generation. lets just HOPE that this new mustang is a challenge.... cuz if not, ford fails hard

gnasty1521

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Ke^in

[QUOTE=TransFan;12766175]To kevin
You say the camaro should have sold more but it didn't. You should realize 3 months of not being sold is a big difference. It would have easily outsold the mustang. [/quote0
WOULD, SHOULD, COULD. It didn't. Being that it was the first year it came back, it should have SLAUGHTERED Mustang sales.
What car exactly are you referring to may I ask? Again, I don't know of any 6cyl family sedan doing 13s in the 1/4
You are referring to just GTs right? This is the first year Ford has made a GT that will probably beat a Z28. Because Ford has made Mustangs in that time that has bested what GM has put out. Not GTs no, but you didn't say just GTs.

Marc 85Z28

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Taurus SHO
Passat 3.6
G37
TL Type-S
IS350
335i

All quite capable of putting the 99-04 GTs in their place.

gnasty1521

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Ah the classic Ford vs. Chevy dick size...

Ke^in

That's not what I asked. I don't believe all those cars are 13 second cars that go for the same price.

And the Taurus SHO and BMWs aren't in the same league for the same price.

What car is it you have again. (3rd time I asked)

Marc 85Z28

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Price range. Is that the I was wrong but don't want to admit it so I'll throw in some dumbass qualifier retort? Look, I said there are 6 cylinder family sedans that run with or run around the 99-04 GTs. I've stated them, nothing was said about price. In case you forgot already:

What car do I have again? Is the username not enough? What about the sig, still not enough?

assasinator

this thread is about a 2011 mustang GT with 412hp/390tq and its potential. i bleed ford blue. this is my third stang since 1980. countless motors i built for fun.

stangs have been slower stock gt to stock z28 since the LT-1.

the 1996 cobra is the exception for a few years. but its not a GT.

LT-1 was faster
LS-1 was faster
LS-6 was faster
LS-3 WAS faster.


i've had to build a stang to beat ls-1's.

the 2011 GT should be about .15 faster than a termi stock. the termi had 425hp the GT 412. the termi weighs 3780 the GT 3603. thats my guess.

prediction: 12.33 @ 112 mph off the showroom with a pro driver.

Ke^in

The original statement was

Of course you can get those cars cheap. Nobody pays good money for a "performance" car that runs door to door with many 6 cylinder family sedans.

So money was originally a factor. I didn't just make it up later. I'd hope a car that cost much more than my GT performs better too.

Ke^in

That's why I asked if you were just referring to the GT. To say that Ford hasn't produced a Mustang that bests GM's fbodies is dishonest however.

TransFan

Exactly when was price in the equation for 6cyl's beating gts. Excuses?? I've beaten a GT in an altima 3.5se
All that should, would crap is bogus. Fbody has been dead since 02 and the GT is just now in 2011 getting enough power to outrun an 98-02 f bodys. Now the camaro is back and spanking the GT again. Guess they realize maybe its time we have some competition. I feel sorry for guys who bought a 2010 GT to realize the 2011 base mustang is a few horses behind in power. I'd Barf then sell that Ford quick.