Toyota Recalls 2.3 Million Vehicles For Sticking Accelerator Pedal
02-28-2010, 05:06 PM
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I didn't google search it, people were telling me about it back in the day. Which is why I didn't know the outcome of it. Still it's a bad policy to not update your system when the rest of the industry does (I finally did google search it before posting this). I believe only about 15% of the bs that's in the news these days anyway, and even less than that from internet based sources. If I didn't have my own personal experiences of bad Jap cars vs. good domestic cars, I wouldn't even care about this recall at all. I'm just happy they are taking some of the spotlight GM has had the last 3 years.
03-01-2010, 02:37 PM
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Sometimes people or companies will settle for a set amount as it could ultimately be less costly than paying all those legal/court fees for years and years. But, when it's a huge international corporation with A LOT of money in it's coffers and A LOT to lose if word suddenly got out that they settled when it's involving something so potentially image tarnishing as that, I too find it a little difficult to believe.
03-01-2010, 03:20 PM
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I didn't google search it, people were telling me about it back in the day. Which is why I didn't know the outcome of it. Still it's a bad policy to not update your system when the rest of the industry does (I finally did google search it before posting this). I believe only about 15% of the bs that's in the news these days anyway, and even less than that from internet based sources. If I didn't have my own personal experiences of bad Jap cars vs. good domestic cars, I wouldn't even care about this recall at all. I'm just happy they are taking some of the spotlight GM has had the last 3 years.
The Foreign vehicle supporters would have you believe that you will never be let down by their fine favorite Foreign product and that anything GM is junk. The current Toyota situation and the backlash you see is a result of the Japanese getting caught with their pants down. When you claim perfection, hide your faults, and only deliver a product that is just "acceptable" or dangerous in this case, it will eventually catch up to you (or we could hope so).
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03-02-2010, 06:18 AM
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Sometimes people or companies will settle for a set amount as it could ultimately be less costly than paying all those legal/court fees for years and years. But, when it's a huge international corporation with A LOT of money in it's coffers and A LOT to lose if word suddenly got out that they settled when it's involving something so potentially image tarnishing as that, I too find it a little difficult to believe.
If anyone thinks Toyota wasn't "cooking it's books" as far as it's "numbers" go when it comes to quality, safety, and recalls.. then I don't know what to say.
03-03-2010, 05:03 PM
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Toyota’s fix not working, some owners say
Drivers complaining their vehicles still accelerate suddenly after repairs
WASHINGTON - Some Toyota owners say they are still having trouble with unintended acceleration after their recalled cars were repaired, and the Transportation Department said Wednesday it is looking into their complaints.
David Strickland, the administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, said in a statement the agency is reaching out to consumers about the complaints "to get to the bottom of the problem and to make sure Toyota is doing everything possible to make its vehicles safe."
"If Toyota owners are still experiencing sudden acceleration incidents after taking their cars to the dealership, we want to know about it," Strickland said.
The government has received a limited number of acceleration reports from the Toyota owners whose floor mats or gas pedals have been fixed but the fresh complaints raise new questions about whether Toyota's remedy will solve the problem. Toyota and the government are investigating potential electrical problems as part of the Japanese automaker's recall of more than 8 million vehicles worldwide.
NHTSA has linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by Toyota's acceleration problems. The company has blamed mechanical causes or drivers pressing the wrong pedal and repaired about 1 million vehicles, but has said it is looking into electronics as a potential cause.
Toyota did not immediately comment on the new complaints.
Stewart Stogel, 49, said his 2009 Camry accelerated to about 15 mph on a street near his home on Saturday, five days after a dealership trimmed the gas pedal and installed new brake override software as part of the floor mat recall. The car didn't stop for several seconds even though he pressed on the brakes. Stogel said he barely avoided a wall and nearly went down an embankment.
"At first the brakes didn't engage at all," said Stogel, a freelance journalist. "Just as I approached Terrace Avenue, the wheels were able to get some traction, and all of the sudden the engine did disengage."
Stogel said the car had accelerated two previous times, and both times Stogel said he took it to dealerships to be checked. In one case it was inspected by a Toyota corporate technician who could find nothing wrong, he said.
After the latest incident, Stogel called his dealer, who told him to return with the car. He also left a message with Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. President Jim Lentz. On Tuesday, Stogel's dealer called and asked him to return with the Camry so Toyota engineers can inspect it.
Carolyn Kimbrell, 59, a retired office assistant, said her 2006 Toyota Avalon accelerated last weekend as she pulled up to her mailbox near her home — about a week after the car had been fixed. Kimbrell had just returned from a shopping trip to the mall with her 9-year-old granddaughter.
Kimbrell's car dealer on Feb. 20 inserted a small piece of metal into the gas pedal mechanism to eliminate friction that was causing the pedal problems. The dealer is scheduled to provide a separate fix to prevent the accelerator pedal from becoming trapped in the floor mat. But now Kimbrell said she wonders if the company's fix will solve the problem.
"It just scares you," Kimbrell said. "If I had been trying to stop at a busy intersection, that would have been bad."
The recalls have prompted three congressional hearings, hurt Toyota's safety and quality reputation and generated death and injury lawsuits. Federal prosecutors in New York are conducting a criminal investigation into the recalls and the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing what the automaker told investors.
Toyota on Tuesday said its U.S. sales fell 9 percent in February but it would offer repeat buyers two years of free maintenance to help rebuild customer loyalty.
During congressional hearings, Toyota executives said all new models sold in the United States will have the override system by 2011 and many recalled vehicles will be retrofitted with the brake override as a precaution. Toyota said it has fixed about 1 million recalled vehicles.
Toyota’s fix not working, some owners say
Drivers complaining their vehicles still accelerate suddenly after repairs
WASHINGTON - Some Toyota owners say they are still having trouble with unintended acceleration after their recalled cars were repaired, and the Transportation Department said Wednesday it is looking into their complaints.
David Strickland, the administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, said in a statement the agency is reaching out to consumers about the complaints "to get to the bottom of the problem and to make sure Toyota is doing everything possible to make its vehicles safe."
"If Toyota owners are still experiencing sudden acceleration incidents after taking their cars to the dealership, we want to know about it," Strickland said.
The government has received a limited number of acceleration reports from the Toyota owners whose floor mats or gas pedals have been fixed but the fresh complaints raise new questions about whether Toyota's remedy will solve the problem. Toyota and the government are investigating potential electrical problems as part of the Japanese automaker's recall of more than 8 million vehicles worldwide.
NHTSA has linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by Toyota's acceleration problems. The company has blamed mechanical causes or drivers pressing the wrong pedal and repaired about 1 million vehicles, but has said it is looking into electronics as a potential cause.
Toyota did not immediately comment on the new complaints.
Stewart Stogel, 49, said his 2009 Camry accelerated to about 15 mph on a street near his home on Saturday, five days after a dealership trimmed the gas pedal and installed new brake override software as part of the floor mat recall. The car didn't stop for several seconds even though he pressed on the brakes. Stogel said he barely avoided a wall and nearly went down an embankment.
"At first the brakes didn't engage at all," said Stogel, a freelance journalist. "Just as I approached Terrace Avenue, the wheels were able to get some traction, and all of the sudden the engine did disengage."
Stogel said the car had accelerated two previous times, and both times Stogel said he took it to dealerships to be checked. In one case it was inspected by a Toyota corporate technician who could find nothing wrong, he said.
After the latest incident, Stogel called his dealer, who told him to return with the car. He also left a message with Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. President Jim Lentz. On Tuesday, Stogel's dealer called and asked him to return with the Camry so Toyota engineers can inspect it.
Carolyn Kimbrell, 59, a retired office assistant, said her 2006 Toyota Avalon accelerated last weekend as she pulled up to her mailbox near her home — about a week after the car had been fixed. Kimbrell had just returned from a shopping trip to the mall with her 9-year-old granddaughter.
Kimbrell's car dealer on Feb. 20 inserted a small piece of metal into the gas pedal mechanism to eliminate friction that was causing the pedal problems. The dealer is scheduled to provide a separate fix to prevent the accelerator pedal from becoming trapped in the floor mat. But now Kimbrell said she wonders if the company's fix will solve the problem.
"It just scares you," Kimbrell said. "If I had been trying to stop at a busy intersection, that would have been bad."
The recalls have prompted three congressional hearings, hurt Toyota's safety and quality reputation and generated death and injury lawsuits. Federal prosecutors in New York are conducting a criminal investigation into the recalls and the Securities and Exchange Commission is probing what the automaker told investors.
Toyota on Tuesday said its U.S. sales fell 9 percent in February but it would offer repeat buyers two years of free maintenance to help rebuild customer loyalty.
During congressional hearings, Toyota executives said all new models sold in the United States will have the override system by 2011 and many recalled vehicles will be retrofitted with the brake override as a precaution. Toyota said it has fixed about 1 million recalled vehicles.
03-03-2010, 05:13 PM
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^Nothing against you man I am glad you posted that. Really I just feel sorry for the people who belive that their "latest" recall fixed the problem. What a joke. The override system will be in by 2011? WTF?! Really shouldn't that be there anyway. Oh wait it already is. Ever tried to power brake a toyota. About 6 seconds into it the engine cuts to idle. Idiots!
03-04-2010, 06:12 AM
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Anyone that is still saying this is going to effect Toyota's bottom line here in the states is deluding themselves.
Toyota just **** the bed. And no one likes a bed *******.
Toyota just **** the bed. And no one likes a bed *******.
03-04-2010, 10:13 AM
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Well IF this recent article, about the fixes not working, has any basis...then Toyota is in big trouble. I mean if they can't fix this problem, this is HUGE. Obviously Toyota HAS been hurt by this big deal recall, but I don't think anyone doubted that they would be OK (read: not as good as before, but ok) after this all blew over. Well now, IF that article is truthful, it may not be "blowing over" after all. This is going to get very interesting, and not in a good way.
I'm not a Toyota fan AT ALL...but i'm putting aside all ridicule and bias because this is getting pretty serious now.
I'm not a Toyota fan AT ALL...but i'm putting aside all ridicule and bias because this is getting pretty serious now.
03-04-2010, 11:27 AM
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I don't have a particular bias. I've just assumed for decades that Toyota wasn't playing with the same rules GM and Ford was. That they were also "cooking" their numbers.
Don't get me going on "Consumer Reports"
Don't get me going on "Consumer Reports"
03-04-2010, 04:49 PM
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Well IF this recent article, about the fixes not working, has any basis...then Toyota is in big trouble. I mean if they can't fix this problem, this is HUGE. Obviously Toyota HAS been hurt by this big deal recall, but I don't think anyone doubted that they would be OK (read: not as good as before, but ok) after this all blew over. Well now, IF that article is truthful, it may not be "blowing over" after all. This is going to get very interesting, and not in a good way.
I'm not a Toyota fan AT ALL...but i'm putting aside all ridicule and bias because this is getting pretty serious now.
I'm not a Toyota fan AT ALL...but i'm putting aside all ridicule and bias because this is getting pretty serious now.
03-08-2010, 11:33 PM
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03-09-2010, 12:27 AM
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03-10-2010, 03:06 PM
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It says they tried to stop the car over a 30-40 mile stretch. It seems weird that he was able to keep control of a car with a stuck accelerator for that long. No crashes or problems caused for other people. I am not saying it was stuck WOT but still. What did he do if cars were obstructing all lanes?
Did any news heli's capture footage to see that the car was stuck?
Did any news heli's capture footage to see that the car was stuck?