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Old 03-15-2010, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
And you can't really believe that we pioneered ABS... did you know that the NSX was the first mass-produced vehicle with 4-channel ABS?
This is not true either. Avoiding Honda sites will help you with this problem of incorrect information.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Yes, were you?

I know I was here for the American manufacturer's major advancements in the areas of mass produced: ABS braking/active handling/airbag/composite body panel/towing-hauling/horsepower to fuel economy ratio technologies (late '90s) among others.

Not sure where anyone else was for some of that though.
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
This is not true either. Avoiding Honda sites will help you with this problem of incorrect information.
The Honda NSX was the first mass produced automobile with the modern 4-channel ABS system sold in the United States and Japan
They said it, not me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system
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You just shot yourself in the foot, there. All your wikipedia source says is that Honda took existing technology developed by someone else and put it on one of their cars before the original designer did (original designer put it on trucks).
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No all his source says is that it was the first car to have it AND be sold in the USA and JAPAN.

Originally Posted by Some bullshit source
The Honda NSX was the first mass produced automobile with the modern 4-channel ABS system sold in the United States and Japan
If it was true then the sentence would read as follows:
The Honda NSX was the first mass produced automobile with the modern 4-channel ABS system. It was sold in the United States and Japan.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Who cares of its 4 channel or 3 channel?? It serves the same purpose...4 wheels antilock braking capabilities.

Chrysler with the 3 channel:

"Chrysler, together with the Bendix Corporation, introduced a true computerized three-channel all-wheel antilock brake system called "Sure Brake" on the 1971 Imperial"

And then the Germans with the 4 channel:

"The German firms Bosch and Daimler-Benz had been co-developing anti-lock braking technology since the early 1970s, and introduced the first completely electronic 4-wheel multi-channel ABS system in trucks and the Mercedes-Benz S-Class in 1978"

As usual, the Japs are not the first with anything.
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And of course this thread would be nothing without Wesman... if you would all like to say that Japanese companies make nothing but garbage and their engineers have no talent, that's fine.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
And of course this thread would be nothing without Wesman... if you would all like to say that Japanese companies make nothing but garbage and their engineers have no talent, that's fine.
Talented? Sure. Innovative? Not in the slightest. Don't agree with that? Find some factual evidence that proves us wrong.
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Talented? Sure. Innovative? Not in the slightest. Don't agree with that? Find some factual evidence that proves us wrong.
There are very few true "innovations" in the automotive industry anymore. Everything is an adaptation or improvement on an idea that came before it. Sometimes the greatest innovations are improvements on previous ideas that make the technology affordable and available to the masses.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
There are very few true "innovations" in the automotive industry anymore. Everything is an adaptation or improvement on an idea that came before it. Sometimes the greatest innovations are improvements on previous ideas that make the technology affordable and available to the masses.
LOL. When the evidence doesn't support your hypothesis, change the definition of innovation instead of your hypothesis. Good one.
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Originally Posted by XxGarbSxX
LOL. When the evidence doesn't support your hypothesis, change the definition of innovation instead of your hypothesis. Good one.
I mean, since you want to be a smartass...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/innovating
innovating - 3.Archaic. to alter.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/innovation
innovation - 2.the act of innovating; introduction of new things or methods
Alteration of existing ideass, or the introduction of NEW METHODS (electronic variable valve timing?)... looks like I didn't change the definition, huh?
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Alteration of existing ideass, or the introduction of NEW METHODS (electronic variable valve timing?)... looks like I didn't change the definition, huh?
Looks like you need to stop posting and making yourself look even more ignorant.
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Nice retort. You're one to talk about sounding ignorant
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Originally Posted by kain01
Few changes to automobile's since Daimler's motorized cart have been true innovation's imho. Just a bunch of guy's sitting around wondering how they can make them go faster ever since.
Originally Posted by Irunelevens
There are very few true "innovations" in the automotive industry anymore. Everything is an adaptation or improvement on an idea that came before it. Sometimes the greatest innovations are improvements on previous ideas that make the technology affordable and available to the masses.
Whoa it's like I didn't even say that already or something.
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Wow you're own source says the first car to have as Mercedes Benz S class in 1978. And I really don't even have a dog in the fight as I agree with your no true innovation's comment.

"In 1975, Robert Bosch took over a European company called Teldix (contraction of Telefunken and Bendix) and all patents registered by this joint-venture and used this acquisition to build the base of the ABS system introduced on the market some years later. The German firms Bosch and Daimler-Benz had been co-developing anti-lock braking technology since the early 1970s, and introduced the first completely electronic 4-wheel multi-channel ABS system in trucks and the Mercedes-Benz S-Class in 1978."
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
There are very few true "innovations" in the automotive industry anymore.
This is absolutely true. Do you know why?
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Because you can only re-invent the wheel so many times...
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Because you can only re-invent the wheel so many times...
Or...

The American and German manufacturers led the way for the entire industry for nearly a century. Japan was very late to the game, everything had either been done or developed but never implemented. Japan had nothing left but to tweak existing designs.

Keep in mind that GM was using fuel injection years before Honda and Toyota even existed
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Originally Posted by Marc 85Z28
Or...

The American and German manufacturers led the way for the entire industry for nearly a century. Japan was very late to the game, everything had either been done or developed but never implemented. Japan had nothing left but to tweak existing designs.

Keep in mind that GM was using fuel injection years before Honda and Toyota even existed
Exactly.

Legendary names like Gottlieb Diamler and Ransom Olds are what come to mind when you think of the invention of the automobile.

Not gook names like Akyoto Kakazaki Toyoda
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Originally Posted by Wesmanw02
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