Originally Posted by firebird99

Please tell us more about your "stock" gt500 fast times even though you admitted to having a tuner in your car at the track but he was "just" data logging then a short time later you go from running 12.0s to low 11's.

Originally Posted by mlee

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Originally Posted by firebird99

Lol trapp you sir are funny. I am in no way butthurt or sore about anything I simply love the fact that we have two cars like these two to debate about. I'm just tired of the ford acting like the zl1 is a waist because it doesn't accelerate as hard as the 13gt500. Everyone wants a car that's fast and handles and both cars do but one was built with more handling in mind and the other with brute speed. Personally I think ford was waiting to release that engine in the next model but had to do something to respond to the zl1 that will embarrass a 2012 at the track and door to door at the strip and let's not forget that was the target car when the zl1 was built not the 13.

Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Man your good....I'll tell ya that.



You don't think the irs has ANYTHING to do with smoothing out your rumble strip comment?

Originally Posted by firebird99

Seems like the group from svtpp are starting to car pool over here now. What you guys all get banned from cam5 so now you feel the need to troll on tech?

Originally Posted by mlee

LMAO



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Originally Posted by mlee

LMAO



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Originally Posted by GotHemi?

Well look who it is. The fat old p*ssy mod from communist5. Look son you're not built for ls1tech. This is where the big boys with big ***** play. Go your ghey *** back over there and do what you do best, ban any and everyone that speaks the truth about the zl1. Ya know facts like it runs 13's at the drag strip. You know first hand all about that don't you BIG guy. I'd be butt hurt too. Oh and I don't wanna hear the excuse that it ran 13's cause you're 500lbs. LMAO

Now go report me to the mods like the snitch that you are. I'll be waiting for my warning in 5,4,3,2...

Originally Posted by firebird99

Seems like the group from svtpp are starting to car pool over here now. What you guys all get banned from cam5 so now you feel the need to troll on tech?

Originally Posted by Ry_Trapp0

LOL, i aim to please


it's all irrelevant until there is a legitimate SAME DAY-SAME DRIVER comparison between the 1LE and 302. the nurburgerkingring has every chevy and nissan fanboy ignoring things like 'logic' and 'common sense'. ask a real race car driver - even an open tracker - what they think of the (totally not)official hamburgering lap time list and they'll laugh because it's 100% meaningless. the same applies to every other track in the world when lap times are posted days, weeks, months, YEARS apart from each other.

and, in the end it's all irrelevant anyways. anyone open tracking their car is focusing on self improvement, not some bullshit lap times vs another car. and any racing series that these cars run in will make 'performance adjustments' to 'equalize' them(want to know why the 5th gen camaro did so well in the continental tire series last year? because it had a minimum weight of 3275lbs while the boss 302 had a minimum of 3350lbs amongst other restrictions on the mustang. the '13 regulations have the 5th gen at 3300lbs and the 302 at 3325lbs). sure makes for some good internet bench racing though


LMAO, please tell me again about how 'streets of willow' has SO MANY big straight aways for the GT500 to pull on the ZL1


i agree 100%! honestly, the biggest difference between the cars isn't their maximum potential on a road course - this has been shown to be VERY close - but rather the learning curve required to run near the maximum potential of each. this is where the ZL1 absolutely shines, with the pansy ***(IMO) PTM and mag suspension covering up any mistakes(or outright amateur driving) made by the driver. that's not to say that the GT500 is a particularly difficult car to drive on a track(not like i would know), rather that it's more like driving a standard car on the track where you really need to put some laps in to get a feel for the car, due to its 'static'(for lack of a better word) suspension. in all of these tests the driver only gets a handful of laps in each car, which is why the results are inconsistent as all hell. professional race car driver or hand shuffling amateur journalist, the need for seat time can't be ignored.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

We don't agree on many things, but we sure do on this . BTW, I think it would be absolutely phenomenal if the next GT500 was a twin-turbo forged variant of the new 5.0. If they could reliably make it a little bigger, that would be even better.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

There is absolutely NOTHING in that quote that implies he is doing anything over here besides enjoying some freedom.
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Originally Posted by GotHemi?

Well look who it is. The fat old p*ssy mod from communist5. Look son you're not built for ls1tech. This is where the big boys with big ***** play. Go your ghey *** back over there and do what you do best, ban any and everyone that speaks the truth about the zl1. Ya know facts like it runs 13's at the drag strip. You know first hand all about that don't you BIG guy. I'd be butt hurt too. Oh and I don't wanna hear the excuse that it ran 13's cause you're 500lbs. LMAO

Now go report me to the mods like the snitch that you are. I'll be waiting for my warning in 5,4,3,2...

Originally Posted by mlee

Nope... just linking to another ZL1 thread like they always do over there. Now look at what a perfectly good thread turned into.

My old buddy and ZL1 troll HPJunkie69. This thread and your posts are a perfect example of why you get banned. You've never been the sharpest tack in the box. LMAO

Originally Posted by firebird99

Got hemi- I don't understand why you and others still feel the need to bash the zl1 every chance you get on every site your on like al o took your money and now it's your personal mission to destroy the car any anyone who likes it. We know the gt500 is faster we also know the zl1 is a better track car. Just because one car if faster then the other doesn't make it better it just makes it faster that's it. I'm sure once the stang gets irs and it's handling gets better you guys will start to care about it then huh?

Originally Posted by GotHemi?

I don't always bash it. I'll admit its a damn good looking car. Much better looking than the standard ss. Also there's no denying its track time is impressive at vir. Just look at its company that surrounds it. I just believe the car was greatly over hyped. Even though its 4k lbs with 580hp it should be trapping 118 in the middle of summer. Hell my car did it at a mere 420rwhp @ 4400lbs. I also believe its software not hardware thats holding the car back. Easily fixed by either gm or the consumer. Even with a fix the car will NEVER be faster than a GT500 stock vs stock and that isn't bashing its FACT.

Originally Posted by firebird99

We know by now the car was over hyped as far as its quarte mile times are concerned but that's it yet some people try to make it out like its a complete waste. It was designed to go after the 2012 gt500 not the 13 like most of you tend to forget or maybe choose to ignore I don't know. Ford then responded with the much improved 13 to beat the zl1 which it does in a straight line that's it. The only reason it even comes close to having a good lap time it soley based on power not handling and that's the difference between a drag car and a track car correct?

Originally Posted by Ry_Trapp0

oh, c'mon now. the SS certainly doesn't get the same kind of 'confidence inspiring' praise that the ZL1 does. simply put, with the continuously adjusting mag shocks, the ZL1 simply doesn't get unsettled through even the most hairy of bumps, and with the right PTM mode you can mat the throttle in the middle of a turn and the car will only feed as much power to the wheels as there is traction. the car(namely the mag shocks) saves the *** of poor drivers and it allows great drivers to take some otherwise improbable lines. why do you think cornering speeds are higher in the ZL1 than the mustang? of course you assume it's outright grip, but being able to cut corners and devour rumble strips is a MAJOR contributor. i believe randy pobst made a similar statement in the (ridiculous) ZL1 vs boss 'comparison'. the rumble strips upset the boss 302(just like it would have the 1LE, with its 'fixed'/'static' suspension) yet the ZL1 just absorbed them and allowed randy to cut the corners off.
here's a quote from the recent ZR1-viper comparo...the GT-R, another car that uses electronic to make joe schmo with too much money feel like mario andretti behind the wheel. granted, it's not the shocks that are doing it in this case, but rather that absurdly well engineered AWD system that allows the driver to do absolute stupid things with the car without suffering any consequences(until they out drive the computer... ...into a tree). and you don't think nissan put together a better chassis than ferrari - especially at 3800+lbs - do you?
it's also the reason that they gave the ZR1 the win over the new viper, those mag shocks working their magic vs the 'static'(again, for lack of a better word) pieces in the viper.[/longer_than_intended_rant]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU
we got a comedian in the house

Originally Posted by 5ohslayer

This statement just screams butthurt. I'm the biggest ZL1 fanboy there is, but am smart enough to realize that unless your ZL1 is modded, and the GT500 is completely stock, that this is not happening! Carry on.

Originally Posted by Snorman

lol...exactly.
ZL1 gets donkey punched at the dragstrip, where most of us race.
S.

Originally Posted by Irunelevens

The 2013 GT500 was improved so much in order to separate the performance further from the Boss 302. The focus wasn't so much on the ZL1.

Originally Posted by GotHemi?

This. Trust me Ford didn't engineer the new Shelby the few months after the zl1's specs were released. Saying the reason why the ZL1 doesn't match up is BC they targeted the 12 is a cop out/excuse. Actually I want to say the 12 lapped faster than a 13 at a certain track. The ZL1 failed at being faster than the 12, at least not to the degree Al O promised. During the summer months all things being equal I'll put my money on a 12 GT500 at the drag strip.

Originally Posted by firebird99

It's very clear that Al O has in some way hurt your feelings. To call it a cop out that the zl1 was targeted towards the 12 and not the 13 makes no sense. How can they target a car that doesn't exist (13) they can't they had to base it off the 12 if I'm wrong please explain the facts I may have missed. So are you saying all things equal the zl1 will beat the 12 during the winter months?

Originally Posted by GotHemi?

Considering all the bs gm and Al O was spreading they should have thought ahead. Do you, much less gm really think that the GT500 was going to stay at 550hp and just let the competition pass them up??? Ford and everyone else knew gm had something cooking up for the Shelby. So why would gm think that ford wouldnt upgrade the Shelby. Instead of being cheap by basically making the ZL1 from the parts bin of a ctsv they should have went for the KILL. I mean they made it so clear that killing the GT500 was there main goal. Yet they half assed it and didn't do what was necessary, obviously. They could have easily put the LS9 in there and made it real interesting.

Since you seem to be so pro Al O and zl1 I'm sure you know of all the **** talking that was going on when the zl1 was announced. So you can pretend that u don't understand why ppl bash the zl1 but I'm pretty certain you know exactly why its happening.

As for zl1 vs 12 Shelby during the winter I'd say it does have an edge. Only BC the car isn't pulling the timing that it was in the summer due to very high iat's. There's a reason why the cars are dropping almost a full second and picking up 7mph during the winter. And no da alone is not making it gain that much.

Originally Posted by Redfire 03

You sure do know a lot about GM & Ford to drive a POS Mopar.











I kid, I kid.

Originally Posted by GotHemi?

Actually I'm not "hpjunkie69"

Originally Posted by GotHemi?

Considering all the bs gm and Al O was spreading they should have thought ahead. Do you, much less gm really think that the GT500 was going to stay at 550hp and just let the competition pass them up??? Ford and everyone else knew gm had something cooking up for the Shelby. So why would gm think that ford wouldnt upgrade the Shelby. Instead of being cheap by basically making the ZL1 from the parts bin of a ctsv they should have went for the KILL. I mean they made it so clear that killing the GT500 was there main goal. Yet they half assed it and didn't do what was necessary, obviously. They could have easily put the LS9 in there and made it real interesting.

Since you seem to be so pro Al O and zl1 I'm sure you know of all the **** talking that was going on when the zl1 was announced. So you can pretend that u don't understand why ppl bash the zl1 but I'm pretty certain you know exactly why its happening.

As for zl1 vs 12 Shelby during the winter I'd say it does have an edge. Only BC the car isn't pulling the timing that it was in the summer due to very high iat's. There's a reason why the cars are dropping almost a full second and picking up 7mph during the winter. And no da alone is not making it gain that much.