The Z/28 is Back for 2014 - LS7 427, no frills, ceramic brakes, Recaros, less weight
04-01-2013, 12:47 PM
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Who are they trying to sell this car to? Car enthusiasts like in this forum will have a hard time spending that cash on a z28 when you can get a vette for around the same price.
And why would the rich people buy a z28 when they can get a zl1 with better suspension, AC, a radio, a supercharger, more power, for cheaper? Or again a vette, for close to the same price.
The only reason this car with a high price tag would make sense, is if its a limited production run. If not it has to be less than the zl1 to make any sense. The general public wont care if it has good brakes.
04-01-2013, 12:53 PM
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If its more expensive than a zl1, its not gonna sell as much as a zl1.
Who are they trying to sell this car to? Car enthusiasts like in this forum will have a hard time spending that cash on a z28 when you can get a vette for around the same price.
And why would the rich people buy a z28 when they can get a zl1 with better suspension, AC, a radio, a supercharger, more power, for cheaper? Or again a vette, for close to the same price.
The only reason this car with a high price tag would make sense, is if its a limited production run. If not it has to be less than the zl1 to make any sense. The general public wont care if it has good brakes.
Who are they trying to sell this car to? Car enthusiasts like in this forum will have a hard time spending that cash on a z28 when you can get a vette for around the same price.
And why would the rich people buy a z28 when they can get a zl1 with better suspension, AC, a radio, a supercharger, more power, for cheaper? Or again a vette, for close to the same price.
The only reason this car with a high price tag would make sense, is if its a limited production run. If not it has to be less than the zl1 to make any sense. The general public wont care if it has good brakes.
04-01-2013, 01:44 PM
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Any once else consider that this (along with the C6 427 convertibles) are low production specialty cars just trying to burn up excess LS7 inventory?
The c6 is officially dead so no more Z06s are being made but they probably still have a lot of extra parts and there is probably a higher profit on selling them in a specialty car (which also burns up more inventory and counts towards vehicle sales) than as crate engines.
Plus the cars themselves are excellent "halo" cars for public relations
The c6 is officially dead so no more Z06s are being made but they probably still have a lot of extra parts and there is probably a higher profit on selling them in a specialty car (which also burns up more inventory and counts towards vehicle sales) than as crate engines.
Plus the cars themselves are excellent "halo" cars for public relations
04-01-2013, 02:51 PM
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Any once else consider that this (along with the C6 427 convertibles) are low production specialty cars just trying to burn up excess LS7 inventory?
The c6 is officially dead so no more Z06s are being made but they probably still have a lot of extra parts and there is probably a higher profit on selling them in a specialty car (which also burns up more inventory and counts towards vehicle sales) than as crate engines.
Plus the cars themselves are excellent "halo" cars for public relations
The c6 is officially dead so no more Z06s are being made but they probably still have a lot of extra parts and there is probably a higher profit on selling them in a specialty car (which also burns up more inventory and counts towards vehicle sales) than as crate engines.
Plus the cars themselves are excellent "halo" cars for public relations
04-01-2013, 03:01 PM
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I also think it wll start around that price if not more. Just look at the delta between the LS3 and LS7 cost, the cost for brake hardware, and the seatls alone and add it to a base 1ss car and you can see the price is going to be up there. That is not even factoring in the subtle changes like aero, suspension, R compound tires, etc, etc. I know that most people want it to cost 40k, but it will be a good bit more expensive. Also, the LS7 crate motor looks to be expensive than the LSA crate motor.
04-01-2013, 04:45 PM
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And so do I, which is why I'm disappointed. At that price point the Z06 looks much better. It weighs 800lbs less and still has all of the goodies.
It is a pretty reliable source that said "north of ZL1 pricing". Thinking that "less hp should cost less" isn't going to work here because they are stating the Z/28 is much faster than the ZL1. You don't need to be "rich" to buy a 60k dollar car but at that price point a lot of other options do start to look awfully nice. It seems like a lot for a car that doesn't have a lot of the options that even the lowly V6 cars do, like HIDs and fog lights. I wonder if the Z/28 will at least have the HUD?
A 8-10k LS7 option on the 2SS would have been probably more what people were hoping for. I know that would probably have put me back in a Camaro for the first time in years but 60k or more for a stripped race car is a bit much.
Good call by the poster above on burning up the LS7 inventory with the C6 being dead. THat hadn't occured to me at all; I wonder if they will just have a DI 7.0 in the C7 to replace the LS7?
It is a pretty reliable source that said "north of ZL1 pricing". Thinking that "less hp should cost less" isn't going to work here because they are stating the Z/28 is much faster than the ZL1. You don't need to be "rich" to buy a 60k dollar car but at that price point a lot of other options do start to look awfully nice. It seems like a lot for a car that doesn't have a lot of the options that even the lowly V6 cars do, like HIDs and fog lights. I wonder if the Z/28 will at least have the HUD?
A 8-10k LS7 option on the 2SS would have been probably more what people were hoping for. I know that would probably have put me back in a Camaro for the first time in years but 60k or more for a stripped race car is a bit much.
Good call by the poster above on burning up the LS7 inventory with the C6 being dead. THat hadn't occured to me at all; I wonder if they will just have a DI 7.0 in the C7 to replace the LS7?
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04-01-2013, 05:00 PM
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The halo or special models should be just that, special and relatively rare and uncommon thereby justifying their higher MSRPs and retaining their resale value and their desirability over the base models.
That is one of the major issues of buying a ZO6 or ZR1 new, hopefully on with the next Corvette specials GM will keep the numbers low. Ford did it right with the BOSS 302 - only two years, only a thousand or so each year and it's gone. The 662hp GT500 is limited production as well. The ZL1 and Z28 should be no different.
04-01-2013, 06:17 PM
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And so do I, which is why I'm disappointed. At that price point the Z06 looks much better. It weighs 800lbs less and still has all of the goodies.
It is a pretty reliable source that said "north of ZL1 pricing". Thinking that "less hp should cost less" isn't going to work here because they are stating the Z/28 is much faster than the ZL1. You don't need to be "rich" to buy a 60k dollar car but at that price point a lot of other options do start to look awfully nice. It seems like a lot for a car that doesn't have a lot of the options that even the lowly V6 cars do, like HIDs and fog lights. I wonder if the Z/28 will at least have the HUD?
A 8-10k LS7 option on the 2SS would have been probably more what people were hoping for. I know that would probably have put me back in a Camaro for the first time in years but 60k or more for a stripped race car is a bit much.
Good call by the poster above on burning up the LS7 inventory with the C6 being dead. THat hadn't occured to me at all; I wonder if they will just have a DI 7.0 in the C7 to replace the LS7?
It is a pretty reliable source that said "north of ZL1 pricing". Thinking that "less hp should cost less" isn't going to work here because they are stating the Z/28 is much faster than the ZL1. You don't need to be "rich" to buy a 60k dollar car but at that price point a lot of other options do start to look awfully nice. It seems like a lot for a car that doesn't have a lot of the options that even the lowly V6 cars do, like HIDs and fog lights. I wonder if the Z/28 will at least have the HUD?
A 8-10k LS7 option on the 2SS would have been probably more what people were hoping for. I know that would probably have put me back in a Camaro for the first time in years but 60k or more for a stripped race car is a bit much.
Good call by the poster above on burning up the LS7 inventory with the C6 being dead. THat hadn't occured to me at all; I wonder if they will just have a DI 7.0 in the C7 to replace the LS7?
maybe not rich but well off imo.
if this car is going to cost 60k GM must not be concerned about selling this car because they wont sell many.
but who stated a z28 will be faster in the 1/ 4 than a zl1? i see them being close with an edge to a zl1.
but yes what i was hoping for was a 1Le ls7 optioned 2ss which is probably not going to happen.
04-01-2013, 07:11 PM
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maybe not rich but well off imo.
if this car is going to cost 60k GM must not be concerned about selling this car because they wont sell many.
but who stated a z28 will be faster in the 1/ 4 than a zl1? i see them being close with an edge to a zl1.
but yes what i was hoping for was a 1Le ls7 optioned 2ss which is probably not going to happen.
if this car is going to cost 60k GM must not be concerned about selling this car because they wont sell many.
but who stated a z28 will be faster in the 1/ 4 than a zl1? i see them being close with an edge to a zl1.
but yes what i was hoping for was a 1Le ls7 optioned 2ss which is probably not going to happen.
04-01-2013, 08:22 PM
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The base models exist for the masses, like the SS or Mustang GT.
The halo or special models should be just that, special and relatively rare and uncommon thereby justifying their higher MSRPs and retaining their resale value and their desirability over the base models.
That is one of the major issues of buying a ZO6 or ZR1 new, hopefully on with the next Corvette specials GM will keep the numbers low. Ford did it right with the BOSS 302 - only two years, only a thousand or so each year and it's gone. The 662hp GT500 is limited production as well. The ZL1 and Z28 should be no different.
The halo or special models should be just that, special and relatively rare and uncommon thereby justifying their higher MSRPs and retaining their resale value and their desirability over the base models.
That is one of the major issues of buying a ZO6 or ZR1 new, hopefully on with the next Corvette specials GM will keep the numbers low. Ford did it right with the BOSS 302 - only two years, only a thousand or so each year and it's gone. The 662hp GT500 is limited production as well. The ZL1 and Z28 should be no different.
So having a high price only makes sense, but GM really should limit production of this one or it will look like a sales flop. I'm sure most here who care already know I'm a Corvette fan, but as cool as this new Z is, there's NO CHANCE that I'd choose it over a ZO6! Plus, if it costs as much as or more than the ZL1, though I prefer the N/A approach(I'd rather add my own choice(turbo) of power adder), I'd choose the ZL1 over it.
04-01-2013, 11:31 PM
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04-02-2013, 08:28 AM
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The base models exist for the masses, like the SS or Mustang GT.
The halo or special models should be just that, special and relatively rare and uncommon thereby justifying their higher MSRPs and retaining their resale value and their desirability over the base models.
That is one of the major issues of buying a ZO6 or ZR1 new, hopefully on with the next Corvette specials GM will keep the numbers low. Ford did it right with the BOSS 302 - only two years, only a thousand or so each year and it's gone. The 662hp GT500 is limited production as well. The ZL1 and Z28 should be no different.
The halo or special models should be just that, special and relatively rare and uncommon thereby justifying their higher MSRPs and retaining their resale value and their desirability over the base models.
That is one of the major issues of buying a ZO6 or ZR1 new, hopefully on with the next Corvette specials GM will keep the numbers low. Ford did it right with the BOSS 302 - only two years, only a thousand or so each year and it's gone. The 662hp GT500 is limited production as well. The ZL1 and Z28 should be no different.
Plus I would like to own a used one and I like the numbers to be on my side.
I will say cars like the Z/28 and the BOSS are why all the people naive enough to believe they can buy a SS or GT and stick it in a barn for 30 years and have a gold mine are in for a rude awakening. And even then, the rare specialty cars might not see the inflation of the 60s/70s muscle cars.
04-02-2013, 01:03 PM
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can someone please clarify...is the Z/28 model supposed to be better than an SS model? For instance the 4th gen, I always see SS models are more expensive than the z/28 models? from my understanding the SS model is a better optioned car...or supposed to be anyways unless im dead wrong
04-02-2013, 01:13 PM
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can someone please clarify...is the Z/28 model supposed to be better than an SS model? For instance the 4th gen, I always see SS models are more expensive than the z/28 models? from my understanding the SS model is a better optioned car...or supposed to be anyways unless im dead wrong
If you like options than the SS or ZL1 will still be the car for you as this is an absolute no creature comforts race car.
04-02-2013, 01:24 PM
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They are all just logos in the gm parts bin..... the first gen ZL1 was a n/a aluminum block 427, so they aren't exactly paying attention to their heritage, lol.
04-02-2013, 08:21 PM
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That's asking just about the entire world from a single set of tires. Seems there's FAR more to it than tires and unless the Z/28 tires aren't even road legal, I really have my doubts one could find a tire worth that much time. After all, it isn't like they just slap junk tires on the ZL1. GM touts "Ultra High Performance" Pirelli PZero tires even for the SS. No, these changes aren't just in tires and my dollar would be on the fact there are nearly 100 "tweaks" and changes to make it shame the ZL1 on a road course... Of course, it isn't like they're proclaiming which and anyone can guess, but I'd think VIR, not Nurburgring. I'd actually think it's only compared on GM's own test track and the ET's could be different for any or all of various reasons, but it isn't at all likely that only tires did it.
04-02-2013, 10:53 PM
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That's asking just about the entire world from a single set of tires. Seems there's FAR more to it than tires and unless the Z/28 tires aren't even road legal, I really have my doubts one could find a tire worth that much time. After all, it isn't like they just slap junk tires on the ZL1. GM touts "Ultra High Performance" Pirelli PZero tires even for the SS. No, these changes aren't just in tires and my dollar would be on the fact there are nearly 100 "tweaks" and changes to make it shame the ZL1 on a road course... Of course, it isn't like they're proclaiming which and anyone can guess, but I'd think VIR, not Nurburgring. I'd actually think it's only compared on GM's own test track and the ET's could be different for any or all of various reasons, but it isn't at all likely that only tires did it.