c6ls3

Dude, look at the production GTR's in the "VIDEOS" that I posted. Those are stock GTR's off the showroom floor.

c6ls3

Not really Joel. Here are two stock US spec GTR's that where just delivered at the track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9v8Zl1FMo

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23156

What else does he need.

And this is what he is debating. For the last page, he suggest there where no modded vettes. But read here:

""At the end of the three-lap run—the standard One Lap road-course time trial—the GT-R had the fourth fastest time of the day, trailing only the ACR Viper, the championship-winning Porsche Turbo, and the turbo Z06 Corvette.

The GT-R was faster than either of the Mongeese, although to be fair both were hampered by various developmental problems, some of which became serious as the weeklong campaign went forward. ""

From here:

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...n_gt_r_feature

c6ls3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

ZR1 is documented with stopwatches(same as Vspec GTR) and is a manufactures claim.

Blakbird24

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Hey Chris...we missed you, welcome back. If you haven't figured out by now that NO ONE ELSE is stupid enough to offer lengthy arguments about the GT-R with LESS THAN 20 POSTS to their name, then I don't know what to tell you. But you aren't fooling anyone, that's for sure.

There's no way either side can prove beyond the shadow of a doubt their case. If that were possible, we wouldn't be arguing this because one of the major auto mags would have broken the "Shocking lies by Nissan!" story by now.

Despite that, the vast majority of EXPERIENCED and un-biased drivers and reviewers are in agreement about one thing - something ain't right. We have claims from all sides of dirty tricks being used, we know the GT-R ran it's runs on R-comp tires, and we have video proof of Nissan using different start/stop points (whether or not to their advantage, we can't really say from the videos, but it's intruiging nonetheless). All that should be plenty to make ANYONE say "OK there's something not kosher about all this". Anyone who doesn't admit AT LEAST THAT, is a fanboy, plain and simple.

End of story.

c6ls3

I am not Chris

People wanted to see what US stock GTR's would run and I provided you with proof. Those where two completely stock GTR with vin numbers running mid 11's at 122mph.

Hydramatic

Jeez, Chris, GET LOST.

He keeps coming back...somebody needs to like, Spirit Bomb his ***.

El es one

Don't lie it was electronically timed and confirmed by stop watches which is way different.


See here's the problem stupid Nissan did,they let journalist come and what happened?lots of articles saying the car wasn't stock,that it had tires,etc so it let nissan to have lots of contradictions...so whats the logical thing a person to do?Well with all the contradictions it sounds like something is up.

Now the Zr1 was straight and clear,no guessing or nothing...now you can be a crazy person and say"well chevy said it,how do I know their not lying"well if your one of those persons then you will never be satisfied of anything except if your their to see it with your own eyes....in reality their is always a possibility that it could be a lie.

Suaveat69

2 days out and there are all of these times for production cars?

If you were ******* there what proof do you have that the GTR is all stock? Tell me!

Tell me how the hell a can that can supposedly do a 7;29 at the ring can do a 2 min at VIR when stock C6z can do 2:05's? Tell me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jJgvI9A1zcI
Dyno run-US Spec-Gee I guess it did not have anytrouble with 91 in Cali!

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=128506#2
First GTR takes delivery on July 7th.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/F...USA_170244.htm

So those times were run with a US spec car that were delivered on Monday?

Another slower Nissan GTR test. Wasnt the GTR supposed to hang with the Zonda's of the world?

Quattroruote tested the following cars at Vairano Track (Italy)
Ferrari 430 Scuderia

Lap time: 1.15,375
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.76s
0-200km/h(124mph):11.64s
(3207lbs)1458kg + driver


Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4

Lap time: 1.15,714
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.65s
0-200km/h(124mph):11.09s
(3498lbs)1590kg + driver


Porsche 997 GT2

Lap time: 1.15,528
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.87s
0-200km/h(124mph):12.04s
(3410lbs)1550kg with driver

Nissan GT-R

Lap time: 1.17,600
0-100km/h(62mph): 3.87s
0-200km/h(124mph):13.15s
(3960lbs)1800kg + driver

GT-R is a JDM car with latest suspension specs.

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Some European magazine had the chance to test a JDM GTR around Nurburgring.

Fastest lap: 7.47
Tire: Dunlop

Three runs with Two different drivers

manicheus-From the Corvette forum-He races a C6Z in OLOA:

My C6Z #20, was stock, except for Pfadt coil overs and sway bars, and was running Goodyear runflats. I have two years track experience. I was able to beat the GTR in a few of the 17 events: low ET drag race, VIR South Course, VIR North Course, VIR Full Course and the dry skid pad. (VIR is home track for me.) I came in 12th in class.

The other C6Z was completely stock and running Michelin PS2's. It was driven by a very capable driver, but with not nearly the experience of Tony Swan. The other C6Z bested the GTR in two events at Mid America, where the driver had considerable experience. He came in 11th in class.

So theres a source that says the Z06's were driveline stock.



The straight that includes the start/finish line wasn't timed. Wasn't a full lap
Timing of this flying lap started at the green line, ended at the yellow.

It does seem that the early *production* GTR's were ringers.

Suaveat69

THE SILVER CAR IS NOT STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

c6ls3

OMG, yes it was. It was purchased by a member on the GTR forums less than 3 days ago. There is more than one silver GTR .

c6ls3

Dude, here you go again. Quote the entire article. Im telling you, I was there. The Vettes where not stock

http://blogs.vetteweb.com/6239869/co...inc/index.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=2015672

Suaveat69

Ya the one running in OLOA was purchased 3 days ago and it is stock. Funny when the first delivery took place 2 days ago on Monday :rolleye s:

c6ls3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

Read it.

Suaveat69

What proof do you have. You were there? OMG that makes you know it all. I just ******* post a message from the car #20 driver and you want us to believe you 'casue you were there vs. a go that races #20 in OLOA? Get a clue

Suaveat69

Read what how the ZR1 was timed with a stopt watch? You need to go get edumatcated: 7;29 was timed with a stopwatch, not the beamers. Second flying start compared to the Z06 standing start. Third- it did not run 600 ft. of track. That run was about 10-11 sec off it it would have done the whole track and used a standing start. And that was for the 7:38 time to boot. Want me to post the video, like I have before of the timing descepencies from inside the car on the ACTUAL GTR run?

Show me some 7:25?

Again if it can run a 7:29 why can it run a sub 2:00 min at VIR?

c6ls3

You have not seen the C6 Z06 video. There is none! Knowone has it! We do not know if it was a standing start or not. Get over it.


Do you not understand that you need to have stopping distance!


GTR vs Zonda overlay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA3FUnlyGDc

Just watch the video. The Zonda did not pull until the last straight away. Both cars started and stopped in identical spots. So is Zonda lying too?

As you can see, there is no point in accelerating in the last turn.

c6ls3

Dude, read what it says to the right of the column for the ZR1.

""Strong headwind on main straight. electronically timed and confirmed with two hand-held stopwatches.""

It also says "Manufactures claim"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordsch...test_lap_times

Blakbird24

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Just to clear a couple of things up...

All three GT-Rs that were used in the ring runs and reviews thus far were registered as engineering samples and cannot be legally titled or sold in the US, or in most countries on this planet. They would not pass a safety inspection here and certainly would not pass emissions testing in the majority of the country. Thus the reason they were DESTROYED upon completing their rounds on the showoff circuit.

Jan Magnussen's run in the C6Z was done with a standing start. There is no video, but who cares. It was done in the same fashion that GM has done EVERY SINGLE RING RUN up until the ZR1.

The 7:29 time for the GT-R is bullshit...period end of story. If you think otherwise then you need to get out and actually drive a car in spirited form around a sanctioned race course. No one who has done any kind of real driving on closed courses buys that time. The 7:38 time is the one in question...it could be legit but It most likely is not...that's the question you should be arguing if you don't want to look like a total waste of life.

Yes you are.

If you're not Chris, how do you know anything about him? AND if you are not Chris, why did you register just to post about the GT-R, AS CHRIS HAS DONE JUST ABOUT EVERY TIME HE'S SHOWN HIS IGNORANT FACE?

Dude, we'd have to be frikin morons not to know by now.

Suaveat69

By: Tadge J. Juechter
Corvette Chief Engineer

I know many people have been very interested in how fast the ZR1 would be at the Ring…

Most car enthusiasts are quite familiar with the Nürburgring. Built in the 1920’s near Cologne, Germany, “the Ring” is considered to be the toughest and most challenging race track in the world.

Over the last two weeks, we have been doing our final tuning and testing there before we start ZR1 production cars. This morning (Friday June 27), General Motors development engineer Jim Mero drove the Corvette ZR1 around the Nürburgring in a time of 7:26.4.

Jim commented after the lap that conditions were good except for a strong headwind down the main straight and that the lap was solid, but he felt there were a few places he could have gone faster.

The car was bone stock with the exception of the communications and safety equipment. The tires were production Michelin Pilot Sport 2’s. These tires have been developed specifically for the ZR1 and will have impressive wet traction and wear (tread wear rating = 220), in addition to excellent dry road holding. Chassis alignment and vehicle height were set to factory specs. Likewise, the engine calibrations were absolutely stock, emissions compliant and the car ran on pump (not racing) fuel. The vehicle was exactly like the cars that will be built in Bowling Green, Kentucky and sold around the world later this summer.

Despite posting one of the fastest times ever run by a production car, Nürburgring lap times were not an over-riding priority in the development of the ZR1. The truth is, if the only priority was speed at the ring, the car would not be very pleasant to drive on American roads. The ZR1 is an incredibly capable track machine, but unlike most ultra-high performance cars, it is very easy to live with on a daily basis.

The timed lap was run with a rolling start, a departure from our previous practice of standing starts. This is more aligned with current industry practice. The lap was electronically timed and confirmed with two hand-held stopwatches. An in-car video will be posted when the engineering team returns from Germany. Look for it the week of July 7!

http://blog.gmnext.com/?p=194

Re-read the quote from the Corvette's chief engineer. The current rolling starts are a DEPARTURE from previous standard practice

Do you want to see the Cobalt SS video of a standing start? Go learn something.

Go look at the CT-V video, you can see the car backing up to do the run instead of a flying lap.

If it was a flying start why did Jan only get in 4 timed laps in ONE hour that the track was rented? Becsue they did not do a FLYING START.
YOu need to get over the fact that this has all been DOCUMENTED on here not only by myself but others as well.

Listen about how precisely they did this with the Z06. The screaming clue was in the fact that it took Jan an hour to do only four laps. John Heinricy effectively spells that out in this video on the CTS-V's lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfKYeFKK9Y Listen carefully to what he says from 2:26 - 2:57. Pay particular attention to the last 10 seconds of what he says about how much time it would take to do one lap if you were going around the track to come to the start/finish line.

This will put to rest once and for all that the Z did a standing sart and used the WHOLE track just like the V did. You can even see the V backing up to go to the start line.

Also I just watched the GTR video and the start and end points are different.

The clock stops just after he makes that final turn.
The clock starts after he runs down that straight away which is after the final turn



http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2...cture19pa0.png


In the two images you can see the buildings on the left when the clock
starts yet you see the buildings on the left in the distance when the clock starts. That's probably 5 seconds right there.

If they pulled that bullsh!t it makes me wonder what else they did.

GM does a standing atart as standard practice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOtAouKf_A0

GM standing start Cobalt SS with Heinricy driving.
GTR does indeed do a FLYING start from the VIDEO:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

On the GT-R video, look at where the clock stops for the 7:38 time. Now go back to the start of the video from approximately 1 or 1:01 to 1:06 or 1:07 would be the time to add that skipped portion of track back.
How much time did the GTR save by not running the pit stretch? No need to wonder, look at the VIDEO. Check the gap from 1:01 - 1:07. To compare it to Jan's I can at least reason that the Z06 should at least be able to make that section of the run just as quickly.

The GT-R was timed with a rolling start that ended about 100 feet from where it began. Time starts right before they dip in the first left hander and end right after laps last right hand turn, leaving the whole Tier13 out of the measurement! That is 6-7 sec. difference compared to measure start and stop from the same spot.

Note the time taken to cover the distance from the video time 1:01 to 1:07. Use the blue wall on the right for reference as it appears during that time. That is the vehicle's run up to the start which occurs at 1:07 at the end of that short stretch of road. If you watch the video you will note something interesting. After the car exits the pits 1:01 it blasts down to the timing traps. This takes it approximately five seconds to camera freeze at 1:06. For reference, note the blue portion of the wall to the right of the car from 1:01-1:06. If you watch closely, the car really trips the trap at 1:07 because at 1:06 it hasn't actually reached the lights.

Now fast forward to the end of the video and watch for the video freeze where they put up the 7:38 time on screen, it's at 8:49 on the video. You would think that would be back at the end of that short stretch which is where they started. But if you look to the right you will see that the blue wall has, again, only just started. The video does not end at the 1:07 start point but at the 1:01 run up to the start point. Yes the GTR cheated, they start in one place and then finish in another!!!

At the end of the run they stop the clock not back at the timing traps which are at the end of that stretch marked by the blue portion of the wall on the right at 1:01 - 1:06 but the instant the car hits the beginning of that short stretch 8:48. Did the video stop with the freeze frame 7:38:54 before they got into the timing light?

They start time just before left hander at Tier13, and end time, just after last right hander back into Tier13, taking out 400-500 feet. They had speed going into the start timer!!

Jan`s drive @ 7.42 is even more impressive! What if the Z had Sport Cups? According to Walter Rohrl Porsche saw an eight second improvement from 7:50 to 7:42 from standard tires to the sport tires with a 997 Turbo at the Ring. If the same improvement was noted on a Z that would imply a 7:35 lap!

c6ls3

Two people have called me Chris