newschool72

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I know, wrong forum, but I couldnt help but share with my carb buddies.
Stopped by the mag stand at the grocery store this morning and saw where Road&track( i think ) did a comparison of the Nissan GTR and the new Super Camaro with the 580HP supercharged LSA engine.
Sit down for this one guys. 12.9 at 113 !!??? The Nissan went deep into the 11s. What did the General do to slow that thing down? With sticky tires, my Externally stock GTO will run that ET!!

BJSS25

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If you read the article, the temps were very cold and they couldn't get it to hook at all. The Nissan has AWD so it has no problems with getting traction.

Pop N Wood

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So the answer is the General built a car with more power than it is capable of using (can't hook)?

Sounds like a Supra to me.

newschool72

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hahaHaha! Good, I didnt read the article , just scanned it really quick.I just looked at the 1/4 mile times and mph per second to 120mph. The ZL-1 must have been spinning all the way to 120 because it never got rolling!

Doug G

MPH tells it all

Every time I spin at the track my MPH is high for the ET....

jleews6

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I have seen stock 03 Cobras run high 13s @103 mph. But then mine went 12.6@113.

Just because one car and a bad driver ran some really slow times doesn't mean they all will. Give it time and you will see the new zl1 in the 11 100% stock.

ZONES89RS

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Put a carb on it, 9s all day....LOL>

93Z2871805

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I want to say it was either Car and Driver or Motortrend who ran something like 12.3s with it in another test. That's still a long way off from the original ZL1's 10.4 @ 128. Although, the 1969 ZL1 didn't have IRS and Magnetic Ride Control to help in the cornering department.

Doug G

LOL.... no corners in the 1320

They might have killed the power untill the higher RPM's ????

1994t/a

Not the zl1 but have yall checked out the times the zr1 vette are running?..DAMN! is all i can say!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1W4F...eature=related

93Z2871805

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Very true lol. It was a different time when the big blocks ruled the drag strip, and the road courses were reserved for Z28s, Boss 302s, and Cuda AARs (although the ZL1 engine made it into Can Am cars for it's big block power with the weight of a small block).

To be honest, I don't think the 2012 ZL1 has a problem making power anywhere, but as a rule-of-thumb when you give to one you take from the other, in the ZL1's case they designed it with IRS and magnetic ride control for taking corners, so the straight-line performance will suffer a bit. I'd bet that if you set up the suspension for the drag strip (ditch the IRS and put a solid rear) that car would have no problems getting into the 11s despite it's 2-ton curb weight.

As a side note, I'd like to see how well the 2012 ZL1 will respond to mods. I wonder how much of a power boost it will get by just doing a CAI, full exhaust, and a tune?

RoidedSS

http://www.camaroscotty.com/tag/zl1-14-mile-times/

here are more stats on the car. kind of compares the car to other super cars which is pretty cool. I also read the latest motor trend where it ran low 12's and they said the track was dusty which made it hard to hook. the main thing for this car is the ability to corner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhjGERugh0

that's the youtube for the nurburgring. the time it lays is extremely impressive for the fact that its a 4200 lb pig lol

93Z2871805

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Also add that the ZL1's time around the ring is only 12 seconds slower than the GT-R.... and it's "only" $55k (comparatively it's inexpensive, lol).

RoidedSS

ya, the new camaro in terms of taking turns seems to be pretty impressive. I think the original 69 zl1 ran low 13's in the quarter, but is also nearly 1000 pounds lighter then the new camaro. obviously tires were a huge limiting factor...although this car is pretty amazing, i think they under shot in the horsepower department, but as we all know, a simple pulley change, with a new CAI and exhaust will make it a whole new game. just ask termi owners, C6 ZR1 owners and CTS-V owners lol

Doug G

13.1's on Poly-glass tires and no traction aids and N/A too

But that was 40+ years ago.

BOBS99SS

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are you talking about the new zl1 running a 10.4 , i havent heard about that yet but thats rolling pretty good,

Prorac1

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I believe he was referring to a specially prepped 1969 ZL1 Camaro. IIRC it had headers, a "super" tune, and gears and slicks. But dont quote me on that. Eric L

Prorac1

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IMHO, the main thing to keep in mind here is that the original ZL1, and the new ZL1 are COMPLETELY differant animals, and almost impossible to compare apples to apples. Eric L

93Z2871805

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I'm pretty positive the 10.41@128.1 was just slicks (stock polyglass severely limited them as said above), an un-corked exhaust, and the stock Holley 850 it was delivered with. Later in S/S prepped form (from what I've read it was basically suspension work, fiberglass front end, ignition, headers, and a paint job) it ran 9.63 @ 143 and became the 1971 AHRA S/S Champ. From what I've researched on these cars over the years, the average take-home, bolt-on slicks, take to the track car would turn mid 11s (@ 122ish). At an actual output of 565-580 fwhp and a 3000lb weight, 10s sound about right.

Also, from what I understand, the 2nd ZL1 (2002 GMMG Harrell) with 630hp would run 10s, however I only recall reading one article on it and never heard anymore about them.

Very true, the new (concept still?) 2012 COPO Camaro would be closer to compare to the original 1969 COPO 9560 ZL1 than the 2012 ZL1. The 2012 ZL1 is built for corners, the 1969 ZL1 was intended for S/S and P/S drag racing.

Prorac1

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Im pretty sure that the original ZL1 ran low 13s BONE stock. Than with slicks and headers it ran mid to low 11s. Maybe tickeling high 10s. But FWIW even racing slicks and headers kinda sucked back than. So either way we look at it, it was FAR from the cars potential. Eric L