SFI 25.2 Mustang/LSx build "The Renegade"
08-17-2009, 09:13 AM
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aaahahahahahahahah Wait till you hear this....
The only advice I can give anyone building a turbo car is to take the power out and add it as the car needs. EVERY turbo car I have helped with the guys are trying to use too much power and they end up not making clean hits.
Shawn and my goal is to #1 be consistent, #2 go rounds, #3 the wins will come. We have made 10 hits this year and have spun once due to track conditions, the track had 2 huge bald spots and we didn't choose the lane. So we have 9 clean runs where we have awesome data to build on. From memory....
01 - 5.24
02 - 5.21
03 - 5.11
04 - 5.01
05 - 4.97
06 - 4.99
07 - 4.91
08 - 4.89
09 - 4.82
10 - 4.84
im not taking anything away from phil but he is not an ordinary DIY guy.... i dont know all of his experience but he knows what the hell he's doing and looks like he's built several cars..... he's not the type of guy that comes on here and brags about all the **** he's built and ran before....
This is the first car I have built like this, my last car was a 1999 Corvette, 6 point cage with engine work, went low 10s. This is the first car I have ever built to this level. I wouldn't call "putting a 6 point roll cage in a corvette - building a car" but thats just me. Thanks for the kind words.
i also said this about KP.... everyone says oh look a D1SC on a 347 can go 8's in any body's car.... you have to realize that KP is another guy with TONS of experience he just doenst talk much about it....
Kevin has definitely figured it out and once you have the reciepe its easy to dupiclate.
you dont just build your first car that goes 4.8x on stock suspension guys.... phil is a down right knowledgable buy along with the guy at VA speed.
You most certainly can with the right knowledge. I read 3 books, studied and talked to some heavy hitters and built the car. Honestly there is nothing special about the car. I think one thing that people don't realize is it SEEMS like most turbo cars don't run a clean pass. We backed the power out and made clean hits from A - B.
there's no mystery to it... money doesnt make a car go fast... knowledge and experience does.... and that is "usually" what money buys you.
Your 100% right. The problem is with money usually comes overspending for crap you don't need. I built the car for just over 33k in hard parts, I skimped and purchased used when I could, but at the end of the day I didn't have the money to build it the way I wanted to. Shawn has said it a couple times, the car's consistency has made us look like superstars but at the end of the day we're not doing anything special. We're going rounds, making clean hits and listening to the car.
This is the first car I have built like this, my last car was a 1999 Corvette, 6 point cage with engine work, went low 10s. This is the first car I have ever built to this level. I wouldn't call "putting a 6 point roll cage in a corvette - building a car" but thats just me. Thanks for the kind words.
i also said this about KP.... everyone says oh look a D1SC on a 347 can go 8's in any body's car.... you have to realize that KP is another guy with TONS of experience he just doenst talk much about it....
Kevin has definitely figured it out and once you have the reciepe its easy to dupiclate.
you dont just build your first car that goes 4.8x on stock suspension guys.... phil is a down right knowledgable buy along with the guy at VA speed.
You most certainly can with the right knowledge. I read 3 books, studied and talked to some heavy hitters and built the car. Honestly there is nothing special about the car. I think one thing that people don't realize is it SEEMS like most turbo cars don't run a clean pass. We backed the power out and made clean hits from A - B.
there's no mystery to it... money doesnt make a car go fast... knowledge and experience does.... and that is "usually" what money buys you.
Your 100% right. The problem is with money usually comes overspending for crap you don't need. I built the car for just over 33k in hard parts, I skimped and purchased used when I could, but at the end of the day I didn't have the money to build it the way I wanted to. Shawn has said it a couple times, the car's consistency has made us look like superstars but at the end of the day we're not doing anything special. We're going rounds, making clean hits and listening to the car.
Shawn and my goal is to #1 be consistent, #2 go rounds, #3 the wins will come. We have made 10 hits this year and have spun once due to track conditions, the track had 2 huge bald spots and we didn't choose the lane. So we have 9 clean runs where we have awesome data to build on. From memory....
01 - 5.24
02 - 5.21
03 - 5.11
04 - 5.01
05 - 4.97
06 - 4.99
07 - 4.91
08 - 4.89
09 - 4.82
10 - 4.84
08-17-2009, 09:14 AM
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Shawn and I are confident we'll go 3.10-3.15 to the 330' in the next 2-3 races. In the finals we matched our best 3.26 to the 330' but slowed on the 60', The car was down .3# on the launch which caused the 60' to slow .02, 1.20 would have netted us a 3.18 and there is still WAY more on the table
08-17-2009, 09:17 AM
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if you havent built many cars then you have plenty experience with fabrication...
there's no doubt that it doesnt take near the horsepower that people think to go fast... its just the ablity to detune the car for the track your running on and take advantage of the good spots on a track.
there's no doubt that it doesnt take near the horsepower that people think to go fast... its just the ablity to detune the car for the track your running on and take advantage of the good spots on a track.
08-17-2009, 09:20 AM
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if you havent built many cars then you have plenty experience with fabrication...
there's no doubt that it doesnt take near the horsepower that people think to go fast... its just the ablity to detune the car for the track your running on and take advantage of the good spots on a track.
there's no doubt that it doesnt take near the horsepower that people think to go fast... its just the ablity to detune the car for the track your running on and take advantage of the good spots on a track.
Notching tubing
building headers
cutting the roof off a car
body work
building a 8point + cage
thanks again! On a side note, I work in the banking industry.
What did I miss here....
08-17-2009, 03:07 PM
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looks like you turn that bitch pretty hard if that red line is the point in the graph where its giving the info and not just the peaks....
is the yellow the cam sensor or what is it?
is the yellow the cam sensor or what is it?
08-17-2009, 03:16 PM
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if you make this and want to make another for some money let me know... i have my own TQ wrenches.... surely thats why it cost so much... if it doesnt come with a new wrench i'd **** my pants
08-17-2009, 07:32 PM
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Looking good Phil (and Shawn).
I am a firm beleiver in buying the right parts, talking to the right people, and not buying anything you don't need.
My last car was a BBC 83, nothing special, all old parts.
468 BBC, iron 2 bolt main block, GMPP C-port heads (port matched but the exhaust ports were rather restrictive), an old 27Xish duration 63Xish lift crane came from like the late 80's, an old ported 850 carb, off the shelf headers, home made exhaust, OLD MSD ignition, so old that the P/N's are no longer current on some of the stuff, an old 2 stage NOS plate system, port matched holley strip dominator, full weight, a very heavy 12 bolt and a 4000 stall, power everything.
Only one person wanted a race, even a TT C6 wanted nothing to do with that car, it just screamed and on like a 150 shot went 10.4@136 (with not so great tires, less supension, and heavier wheels) or something like that (second stage was a 300).
Come to find out it had thrown a intake rocker before I got it and the stall was bad and making noise, from the look of the combustion chamber and the piston the dead cyclinder did not run long after it was first fired up........... runing that fast on 7 holes in impressive and it was all old old old parts and no weight reduction....
Just have to know what parts to use..... sometimes you don't need the most expensive parts out there....
I am a firm beleiver in buying the right parts, talking to the right people, and not buying anything you don't need.
My last car was a BBC 83, nothing special, all old parts.
468 BBC, iron 2 bolt main block, GMPP C-port heads (port matched but the exhaust ports were rather restrictive), an old 27Xish duration 63Xish lift crane came from like the late 80's, an old ported 850 carb, off the shelf headers, home made exhaust, OLD MSD ignition, so old that the P/N's are no longer current on some of the stuff, an old 2 stage NOS plate system, port matched holley strip dominator, full weight, a very heavy 12 bolt and a 4000 stall, power everything.
Only one person wanted a race, even a TT C6 wanted nothing to do with that car, it just screamed and on like a 150 shot went 10.4@136 (with not so great tires, less supension, and heavier wheels) or something like that (second stage was a 300).
Come to find out it had thrown a intake rocker before I got it and the stall was bad and making noise, from the look of the combustion chamber and the piston the dead cyclinder did not run long after it was first fired up........... runing that fast on 7 holes in impressive and it was all old old old parts and no weight reduction....
Just have to know what parts to use..... sometimes you don't need the most expensive parts out there....
