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Old 09-18-2009, 09:23 AM
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What company were the injector's from, and what does a standard injector draw?

Curious, my electircal background is telling me that someone isn't telling you the whole story.
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
What company were the injector's from, and what does a standard injector draw?

Curious, my electircal background is telling me that someone isn't telling you the whole story.
My BS meter is telling me someone isn't telling me the whole story. A normal low impedance injector is between 2 and 4 ohms where a high impedance is mostly 12 ohms.
Siemens 212 2.27 ohms
Ford #160 4.5 ohm
Motron 60# 12.5 ohm
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Originally Posted by phil99vette
my bs meter is telling me someone isn't telling me the whole story.

lmfao !!!
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
My BS meter is telling me someone isn't telling me the whole story.
Why take a Chance

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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
My BS meter is telling me someone isn't telling me the whole story.
Exactly.
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I called motec today and told them the skinny and they said their box would have no problems running a 2,4,6,8,10,12 ohm injector as long as the box is setup correctly. At this point we're going to finish the season on the 160s with the jacked up line pressure and re-eval the injectors next year. I think Shawn said we're 84% DC @ 109psi of rail pressure.
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109psi rail pressure
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Motor is down. The head gaskets held like a champ, 4.175" bore + a ton of boost + a ton of timing and she lives. Absolutely no leakage between cylinders.

We're going to throw some new bearings and a couple little things in and get back after it. Should be back out in a week or so.
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Phil, are you going to any of the big races coming up? ORTC,Shakedown,Orlando? I smell a 6.
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So far so good on the teardown.
Cylinder heads show no sign of leaking combustion
Bearings look unran
Cylinder walls look good could be better

We're going to try and get the combo up and running ASAP, we're making a couple changes in the tranny, engine is getting new bearings and a once over. We touched 41# of boost on a pass last month and well over 30 on the rest and everything looks gooood. We're going to throw her back in and start layin the wood.

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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Cylinder walls look good could be better
What do you mean by this?
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Originally Posted by White.Lightning
What do you mean by this?

the Q16 wrecks havoc on the cylinder walls-pretty much just like methanol.
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Thanks Shawn. I'm just trying to learn! Haha
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
the Q16 wrecks havoc on the cylinder walls-pretty much just like methanol.
is there any fuel that would cut down on that type of corrosion but not harm power production?
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
the Q16 wrecks havoc on the cylinder walls-pretty much just like methanol.
How does methanol "wreck havoc" (sic) on cylinder walls?
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Originally Posted by Brady
How does methanol "wreck havoc" (sic) on cylinder walls?
i would imagine because of the milky oil that is left after running meth... doesnt give enough protection...
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^ Yeah, but with that in mind wouldn't you run specific ring gaps to help take car of that...
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
The last thing I heard is that due to the impedance of the injector there isn't enough power to open the injector.
Basically
16 volts + 8.5 ohms = 2 amps. And I don't have the figure but the injector guys are saying it takes more than 2 amps to open the injectors.
What injectors are they ? (if you don't mind sharing)

Like you say, sounds BS. I do some ECU design, so have worked with injectors on the bench and scoped the current etc.

Normal hi-z injectors take about 1 amp.
Normal low-z injectors have a highish peak and then hold at a lower current.

Something needing 2amps to open with 8.5ohm impedance doesn't sound like it was designed for 12V electrics.

Your car is an inspiration.

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James,
Tell me more about what kind of system a 8.5 ohm injector would work on...
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
James,
Tell me more about what kind of system a 8.5 ohm injector would work on...
24V truck?

Depending on what you have invested in the injectors you could have them tested at 24V. Where are they? I know someone in VA that could likely do it for you. (Will send PM.)

I hope I'm not talking crap, but possibly using a dual battery setup to give the injectors 24V might work.

Hope you get it sorted either way.

James


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