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Old 04-15-2010, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I not hiding anything, we burned a hole in a piston last year, not due to tuneup, to too much boost or an engine failure. Early in the build I brought a cheap set of injectors and I should have known better, we had an injector failure because I brought some f**king cheap *** injectors that couldn't handle the pressure. Up until that point the motor was happy and even when we tore it down, the bearings, rings, head gasket looked perfect.

We've made changes to the fuel system to prevent this from happening and to increase the reliability, we know what happened, we made changes to correct the injector problem, improve combustion and allower higher boost levels. It will be significantly better than last year.

When is that briggs built 4xx" mountain nitrous motor going to be done?
We have hurt our fair share of stuff so its really not a knock on anyone when it happens most times your finding the weakest link. then you fix that weak link and stumble onto the next one.

I was joking saying that because I know our really agressive 1/8th mile tune ups wont make it thru the 1/4 most times. LOL

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Originally Posted by ninetres
He said he used "cheap" injectors....and the morans are the furthest from lol.....

But AN fitiings?!?!??!! Wow. Thats nuts.
i thought we were talking about what he replaced the bad ones with... sorry
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
Go with the belt driven -the electric pumps always fall off at the top of the track due to voltage drop-that when you need the most pump
That was my concern, voltage drop at the big end and the pump losign pressure when you need it the most.

Only thing I still don't get, is how the hell you prime one of those when it's above the fuel pickup?
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
That was my concern, voltage drop at the big end and the pump losign pressure when you need it the most.

Only thing I still don't get, is how the hell you prime one of those when it's above the fuel pickup?
mount it low.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
BTW-we got the tow rig now.Just bought an f450 crew cab to tow my 44' gooseneck.We'll finally be going to the far away races in style.
So you are going to the races WITHOUT your driver??
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Originally Posted by Fireball
mount it low.
That's what I figured. I'm gonna do the motor plate over and will put it as low as I can, any luck it will almost gravity feed. WAY down on the passenger's side is where I was thinking, and run the vaccum pump over where the ALT usually is, both fed off the gear drive.
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So you are going to the races WITHOUT your driver??
I saw that one coming when i typed it-just didn't know how long it would take for you to read it.
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LOL You guys are f**king wild.

the cage is now done, its ready to get paint and be certified
the floor is also done and ready for some carpet
got the passenger door striker and latch modified and installed so it closes on its own and the handle works

Going to order a bunch of stuff this week.
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
LOL You guys are f**king wild.

the cage is now done, its ready to get paint and be certified
the floor is also done and ready for some carpet
got the passenger door striker and latch modified and installed so it closes on its own and the handle works

Going to order a bunch of stuff this week.
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Originally Posted by JL ws-6
That was my concern, voltage drop at the big end and the pump losign pressure when you need it the most.

Only thing I still don't get, is how the hell you prime one of those when it's above the fuel pickup?
Where are you going to mount the fuel pump, on the roof? Most guys mount the front cell to the frame rails and if you put the fuel pump on the motor plate anywhere south of the water fittings would work fine. Belt drive is the cats ****.

The new setup for this year is 16 injectors hopefully that will give us alittle room for error. We're moving to a precision 212/220# injectors, hopefully it will keep the duty cycle under 50% so we can control the fuel alittle better.

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I was going to mount it up on the top portion of the motor plate by the head, above where a dry sump would be if I take that route.. run the pump off the dry sump pulley so if the dry sump belt ever broke, the fuel pump would lose it's drive as well, sort of like a safety thing.

But now I'll keep it down as low as possible, hopefully avoiding the issue. Fuel cell will be in the nose, either on the passenger's side (right by the pump) or in the center of the nose, depending on what else makes it's way in. There's a slight chance, that since I'm cutting whe whole nose out a side slinger might work, like the one procharger makes for a transplant type setup, but that's still in the air. Gear drive has the advantages of no side loading.... still looking at all the options.

Pretty much deciding to go with the belt driven fuel pump, you guys have me sold on that.


The 2 sets of injectors, any reason ya don't split it and use a smaller set to idle and whatnot on and one really big set, or is the total fuel capacity of both those big boys needed?

That's another subject I'm looking into at this point. I'm probably gonna go with an XFi box, and I can run anything for in injector with that.. but not sure how big to go or what to use. 1400 crank HP, I don't see it making more then that. Am I still in the single set territority?
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Still need to seam seal the floor, dust with self etching primer and carpet
Cage needs to have a couple bars primed and painted
Pulled the rear end down to today and the axles look good going to add a filler and drain prime and paint
Got my trailer roof fixed, the 30" of snow collapsed the roof.

I'm pretty close to needing a motor to get the turbo and downpipe done.

Working on trans cooler mounts out of 3/8" chomoly


Transcooler mounts done and painted


Starting to paint the roll cage


Driver door is done, debating if I should put the outside handle on



Still need to trim back the lexan just a touch on the back of the door





Passenger door is done, still waiting on a replacement piece of lexan from madman


Windshield is done just need to paint the border, the rubber seal I got from mcmaster carr is the ****.

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- Broke the rear end down this morning and got the floor seam sealed, ordering carpet today
- Windshield is done just needs to be black out for the final install
- I weighed the doors the doors are 14# each complete with lexan mounts and handles

We're going to be ready for an engine and tranny here this week or next.

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What spline axles were those?
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she seems to be making a bit of power...
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35 splines, leaving at 4000rpm and 6# of boost to a tune of 1.23-1.25 60's with a 3.50 gear. I could understand in a stick car on slicks with a 4.10 but this combo...
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I don't think it's so much how it makes the power, but more the 60 foot time and weight.

If a 3800 lb car was 60 footing in the 1.3's it would probably do the same thing your car did going 1.25x
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time for some 40s
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Or an axle with a better material...
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lookin good phil. hopefully your next set of axles dont go pear shaped.

thought of anything to shut down the engine in case of an injector failure?


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