400 HP internally stock no Power adder?
04-19-2004, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Spindoctor
So you are saying external bolt-ons have on effect on rpm peaks?
If you have the stock ls1 cam in the car it would peak at 5600rpm no matter what bolt-ons you put on it.
I bet you put in a sleeper cam and port the stock heads with your x-package.
Here's your dyno graph.
(for bolt-ons)http://www.speedengineeringanddyno.com/ekw-dyno.jpg
Here's my Hotcam graph.
http://www.cobraeater.cz28.com/cgi-b...r%20Hotcam.jpg
My car makes 375rwtorque at 3800rpms just like yours and makes it's peak power at 5900rpms JUST LIKE YOURS!
Why don't you quit acting like your making the power with just bolt-ons.
04-19-2004, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
Bolt-ons don't, but a cam does!
If you have the stock ls1 cam in the car it would peak at 5600rpm no matter what bolt-ons you put on it.
I bet you put in a sleeper cam and port the stock heads with your x-package.
My car makes 375rwtorque at 3800rpms just like yours and makes it's peak power at 5900rpms JUST LIKE YOURS!
Why don't you quit acting like your making the power with just bolt-ons.
If you have the stock ls1 cam in the car it would peak at 5600rpm no matter what bolt-ons you put on it.
I bet you put in a sleeper cam and port the stock heads with your x-package.
My car makes 375rwtorque at 3800rpms just like yours and makes it's peak power at 5900rpms JUST LIKE YOURS!
Why don't you quit acting like your making the power with just bolt-ons.
I guess I put a hidden supercharger on the xx package, huh?
If I were you I would be pissed too.
04-19-2004, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Spindoctor
I guess I put a hidden supercharger on the xx package, huh?
I didn't say anything about a supercharger, but a sleeper cam and porting the customer's heads would be very easy to hide.
I could put a ls6 cam in my car and port my stock ls1 heads and come out with the numbers you did, and say it's all bolt-ons.
If I was getting your x-package (not that I ever would
) I wouldn't leave the car alone with you, so I could see what you do to the car.
04-19-2004, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
WTF are you talking about!
I didn't say anything about a supercharger, but a sleeper cam and porting the customer's heads would be very easy to hide.
I could put a ls6 cam in my car and port my stock ls1 heads and come out with the numbers you did, and say it's all bolt-ons.
If I was getting your x-package (not that I ever would ) I wouldn't leave the car alone with you, so I could see what you do to the car.
I didn't say anything about a supercharger, but a sleeper cam and porting the customer's heads would be very easy to hide.
I could put a ls6 cam in my car and port my stock ls1 heads and come out with the numbers you did, and say it's all bolt-ons.
If I was getting your x-package (not that I ever would
) I wouldn't leave the car alone with you, so I could see what you do to the car.If a bullfrog had a .45 a crow wouldn't **** with it!
04-19-2004, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
If I was getting your x-package (not that I ever would )
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Originally Posted by Cobraeater
How much does your x-package cost then?
WTF are you talking about!
04-19-2004, 04:21 AM
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Hey spindoc what are the requirments for the X pacakage? does it have to be a 01 or 02 car. Can it be done with 98 99?is it required that u only install the package and have to bring it to your shop? our are u selling the x package in kits that u ship out? what is the deal here? Can i get info?Thanks
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04-19-2004, 07:38 AM
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How much more proof do we want? Well, aside from a dyno graph and some biased testimonials, you've offered no proof whatsoever.
I also don't believe your internet went down. Like you posted earlier, if you provided the proof right away, you would have been shut down in 3 or 4 pages. The scope of this thread is quite obvious to everyone, especially since you just owned up to it. And although you didn't start this thread, one of your chronies did.
But yet you have shed some light on the truth. Your bolt on X makes 400 RWHP. The head/cam XX package makes 480 RWHP. And yet, your RACE CAR only makes 452 RWHP. Nuff said.
And if a frog had a glass *** would it break every time he jumped ?!? Not if he cushioned it with an assclown. So you see, there is a place where a man with your abilities could do some good.
I also don't believe your internet went down. Like you posted earlier, if you provided the proof right away, you would have been shut down in 3 or 4 pages. The scope of this thread is quite obvious to everyone, especially since you just owned up to it. And although you didn't start this thread, one of your chronies did.
But yet you have shed some light on the truth. Your bolt on X makes 400 RWHP. The head/cam XX package makes 480 RWHP. And yet, your RACE CAR only makes 452 RWHP. Nuff said.
And if a frog had a glass *** would it break every time he jumped ?!? Not if he cushioned it with an assclown. So you see, there is a place where a man with your abilities could do some good.
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04-19-2004, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
And although you didn't start this thread, one of your chronies did.
04-19-2004, 09:03 AM
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Your right, Thanks for the update. Now we will have to get the Speed Engineering car down to Pete's raceweight and see if we can't pick up a tenth. We don't like to give up accys or drivability, so it won't be easy but I think we can do it.
04-19-2004, 10:08 AM
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"Just come by the shop and I will show you the damned thing in person, would that satisfy you?"
If I were standing in your shop and witnessed this car make 400/400, do you know what that would prove to me? NOTHING.
If this car goes to the track and pulls 119 MPH trap speeds in a full weight car, what will that prove to me? NOTHING.
All that would mean is that the engine isn't internally stock in the truest sense of the term. Nothing more. I, for one, didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday nor did I hit my head doing so.
If I were standing in your shop and witnessed this car make 400/400, do you know what that would prove to me? NOTHING.
If this car goes to the track and pulls 119 MPH trap speeds in a full weight car, what will that prove to me? NOTHING.
All that would mean is that the engine isn't internally stock in the truest sense of the term. Nothing more. I, for one, didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday nor did I hit my head doing so.
04-19-2004, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Colonel
"Just come by the shop and I will show you the damned thing in person, would that satisfy you?"
If I were standing in your shop and witnessed this car make 400/400, do you know what that would prove to me? NOTHING.
If this car goes to the track and pulls 119 MPH trap speeds in a full weight car, what will that prove to me? NOTHING.
All that would mean is that the engine isn't internally stock in the truest sense of the term. Nothing more. I, for one, didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday nor did I hit my head doing so.
If I were standing in your shop and witnessed this car make 400/400, do you know what that would prove to me? NOTHING.
If this car goes to the track and pulls 119 MPH trap speeds in a full weight car, what will that prove to me? NOTHING.
All that would mean is that the engine isn't internally stock in the truest sense of the term. Nothing more. I, for one, didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday nor did I hit my head doing so.
04-19-2004, 10:25 AM
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LT99LS1 - Then why is he apologizing to Spin Dr?
"Sorry Spindoctor, this really was not the intention of this thread."
But maybe he's not a chronie of the good Dr. Maybe the Spinster didn't want his WORLD RECORD posted on the board.
Cause he realized everyone would be waving the BS flag. He's offered no real proof.
He just sits there inviting us doubters to his shop. Like I'm gonna hop a plane to go to his shop. LOL
There was only one true King from Tennesse, Spin Dr is just another queen. With or without his dyno.
"Sorry Spindoctor, this really was not the intention of this thread."
But maybe he's not a chronie of the good Dr. Maybe the Spinster didn't want his WORLD RECORD posted on the board.
Cause he realized everyone would be waving the BS flag. He's offered no real proof.
He just sits there inviting us doubters to his shop. Like I'm gonna hop a plane to go to his shop. LOL
There was only one true King from Tennesse, Spin Dr is just another queen. With or without his dyno.
04-19-2004, 10:26 AM
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The whole point of this thread was to see if he was truly the first one to reach this point. After all the locals found out, there was a controversy about how others had done it before, therefore I wanted to know if someone else had accomplished this goal. I see now that there is not anyone else that has done it, so my question has been answered. Thank you all, now this thread can end and you can all read about it in the magazines.
Kevin
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04-19-2004, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Spindoctor
WTF are you talking about!
I've changed my mind, and now I want to buy your x-package.
So how much does the x-package cost or is it a secret.