Why the ms3 is no good for the street!
I don't know if it helps or not, but here's a graph of my Trex cam'd car through a T56, 3" steel DS, Slicks, and a 9" w 4.22s and locker. Personally, I thought it was a little weak on the bottom end, but that may just be because it pulled so hard up top.
Agreed, the low end tq argument is like arguing about hp/ltr. F-that, gimme the right converter in a Auto, or gear in my T56, and i'll be perfectly fine. Besides, what are you more worried about, whether you can run the # at the track, or flexing your muscles by not downshifting on a intense incline on the road due to your super-macho bottom end tq,
Seriosuly though, if you are building anything but a Road race/auto-x car, who cares about bottom end tq?!
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That's what I like to think they are... I'm not sure what it represents I have all the data files I just forgot to do it in sae when I was transferring the graph.
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Thanks for this post, i agree with you completely. I think your graph illustrates it perfectly well.
I also agree with you. I dont see why people still argue that these big cams arent top end cams??? Doesnt make any sense to me. Just ride in a ms3/ms4/t-rex car, nothing down low below 3500-4000. Then ride in a smaller, ie. 226/230 or 230/230 cammed car and see that there is a big difference.
So far I have yet to see a small cam graph with more low end than the larger cams.
On a side note. I too think a smaller cam is better for DDing. I just think for different reasons as I feel big cams have grunt too. I would rather DD a milder cam that has better driving manners and consumes less gas. So I am not disagreeing, I just have a different view of why I agree.
On a side note. I too think a smaller cam is better for DDing. I just think for different reasons as I feel big cams have grunt too. I would rather DD a milder cam that has better driving manners and consumes less gas. So I am not disagreeing, I just have a different view of why I agree.
hey cam, i was really considering just slapping an MS3 and calling it a day. thanks for actually suggest a more mild street cam for me man. i went with the MTI X1 and made 395rwhp stock heads without a pulley!!
but your in the 10's and thats all that matters dude..
but your in the 10's and thats all that matters dude..
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This is exactly what I am oposing. Big cams do make good low end. Anything at or above 300rwtq is good low end cam only. And most big cams do just that. My point is you can't make a blanket statement just because your numbers are low in the low end. This does not mean your car is not capable of better low end numbers. My guess is your tuner did most of the tuning above 4k and did not dial in the low end, so your low end numbers are low.
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When I built my 346 I was really tempted to use an LG G5X3 (234-242) but changed my mind at the very last minute a put in a 230-236 112 XE-R cam. The H/C 90/90 car still made 460 to the wheels and was a great car for bumper to bumper traffic, trips and pounding the crap out of it. I probably gave up some on top but my average RWHP was better and the car was much more fun to drive. My 403 runs a baby cam for the displacement 234-240 112 +0 and makes 510+/470+ but makes 380RWT at 2200 and is over 400RWT bu 3k RPM. The car still drives like stock and 510/470 are very good peak numbers for a mild 403.
I run into more people wishing they had gone smaller than I do people wishing they had gone bigger after they've driven it for a while.
My $.02
I run into more people wishing they had gone smaller than I do people wishing they had gone bigger after they've driven it for a while.
My $.02
