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Old 11-24-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mcspooley
Ok i do understand hardparts fail and that sucks even good expensive parts but matt your batch firing the injectors and waste firing the plugs on the microquirt is it possible your having an ignition event in #7 since 7 is allways the hottest cylinder? Hell ive even seen the old Grand Nationals light off a cyl just from pressure...
So you think the BANK fire injection, or the wasted spark contributed to a preignition event.

I have never seen either of those contribute or cause a preignition event, and having Grand Nationals and tuning Turbo Regals since 1996 I have never heard of the TRs Preignite on E85 or gas/race fuel. Unless there is oil in the combustion chamber somehow, or too hot of a plug.

Although, E85, and Especially Methanol, will go straight to preignition, skipping the detonation, altogether. But that is usually because of too hot of a plug, or too lean on the fuel. Or like I said oil in the chamber.

Also,I was wondering if you would have problems with keeping gaskets in that engine, after torching that head that bad. The block had to have had some damage to the deck. Did it get decked before the new head and gasket were installed? With my old Supra, once you blew a head gasket there was alot of work to get that surface right for another metal gasket to seal correctly.
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the other side of the motor, cyl6 is where i burned the gasket out.
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You know my opinion, ditch the nitrous/meth, build it right once with a 7675 and don't look back.
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Whats Skinnies talking about "7675"?????
Old 11-24-2012, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by skinnies
You know my opinion, ditch the nitrous/meth, build it right once with a 7675 and don't look back.
i think ill spend money on a intercooler and a intake and buy a turbo from craigs guy similar to those pte 7675s
Old 11-24-2012, 11:23 PM
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I must be missing it? What is a different turbo gana do for you matt? More boost but isnt that the problem to begin with?
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Originally Posted by denmah
i think ill spend money on a intercooler and a intake and buy a turbo from craigs guy similar to those pte 7675s
Are you concerned that the high IATs from running without an intercooler might be causing you detonation problems even with the e85 and meth?

When I was running really high volumes of 70% meth (injected after the intercooler), I was concerned that the distribution might be far less than ideal given that we are using intakes designed for N/A dry flow... Still, the meth was tolerant of a rather rich mixture, and nothing bad seemed to come of it. I figured that if the distribution was sufficiently bad to cause a problem that the plugs and/or combustion chamber should show evidence of it.

What intake are you thinking of trying?
Old 11-25-2012, 07:25 AM
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Imo throw the intercooler back on. Atleast the big eBay one. I'm running the 31x12x4 with out issues.
Get rid of the meth, you don't need that **** with e85. Lol
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i think he should go back to a meth/water mix. the water cools better than the meth but the meth gives octane. imo with the e85 the octane is fine.
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Originally Posted by 86lxnotch
i think he should go back to a meth/water mix. the water cools better than the meth but the meth gives octane. imo with the e85 the octane is fine.
I think it's accurate to say that the methanol cools the IATs better than the water through evaporative cooling because the methanol evaporates more readily upon injection into the heat of the intake tract. Water on the other hand, cools the actual combustion chamber temps better than the methanol because of its higher specific heat. I too think that a blend probably has the best effect, but I never did try the straight methanol and a lot of people swear by it.

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Originally Posted by a4ls2goat
Imo throw the intercooler back on. Atleast the big eBay one. I'm running the 31x12x4 with out issues.
Get rid of the meth, you don't need that **** with e85. Lol
Exactly E85 is perfect on its own no need for meth.
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From an engine builders point of view, I'd quit throwing used head gaskets on the thing and use new gaskets that are designed for boost. And there's nothing wrong with using ARP bolts or studs a million times unless they're overtorqued and stretched. You have to use the right lube (ARP Ultra, in the blue packaging) and follow the manufacturers directions, not what some Joe said to do on the internet.

Bad *** car though, love that the big money guys hate it and say you can't do that.
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I just read this whole thread front to back over the last 2 days and I just realized all this was in under a year WOW!! I'm a big fan of your work. Come January I'm starting my build in search of 550rwhp. I'll be in boxing you. Keep up the great work
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Originally Posted by Camaro9969
Exactly E85 is perfect on its own no need for meth.
Yup! Ive always though about meth with e85 but never seen anyone attempt it, i would how much lower the IAT's are with this setup.
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Well or just spray a little of the E85 in the inlet charge....would probably serve about the same purpose. I have thought about just adding a little stock injector somewhere in the inlet/intake that opens with a hobs switch.
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sarg i thought about something like that as well. i was going to use a nitrous/fuel soleniod operated on a hobbs switch. plenty of jet sizes to choose from too!
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Would be super easy, just no water as an option, lol.
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Originally Posted by mcspooley
I must be missing it? What is a different turbo gana do for you matt? More boost but isnt that the problem to begin with?
Allow him to make the power the car should on the boost numbers. No reason it can't make over 800rwhp on a 7675, the magnum 80 doesn't seem to be cutting it. I gave other suggestions on what to do, I like to drive my car though and be simple vs working on it and tearing it down all the time.
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Skinnies! hey brother you talking about turbonetics turbo? whats really the diff between them? this is actually a smaller turbo then matts mag 80


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