ModularTurbo/CBR F2 Twin Turbo kit install
11-22-2012, 11:14 AM
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I'm wondering would you want to route the oil back into the pan? Wouldn't it collect condensation from the catch can? Nice design, bracket is heavy duty.
11-22-2012, 12:06 PM
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The milky slug that you normally drain from a catch can is caused from the oil collecting and sitting in the can and cooling.
As soon as you get out of the gas from a hard run the oil collected will drain right back to the pan.
As soon as you get out of the gas from a hard run the oil collected will drain right back to the pan.
11-22-2012, 07:48 PM
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11-22-2012, 08:13 PM
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and him and Rob made a GREAT kit.
but i have to agree with this. i run E85 in my car and moisture is a huge build up. now i you had a water seperater in that drain line then ok. but i know water(moisture) would be getting into my oil pan.
and i have ran mine on a closed system and an open system both have moisture. i know mine is alot for eathonal. but it is jsut as easy to drain my cans when i drain my oil to do a change.
11-22-2012, 08:49 PM
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ok. i know chris knows his stuff.
and him and Rob made a GREAT kit.
but i have to agree with this. i run E85 in my car and moisture is a huge build up. now i you had a water seperater in that drain line then ok. but i know water(moisture) would be getting into my oil pan.
and i have ran mine on a closed system and an open system both have moisture. i know mine is alot for eathonal. but it is jsut as easy to drain my cans when i drain my oil to do a change.
and him and Rob made a GREAT kit.
but i have to agree with this. i run E85 in my car and moisture is a huge build up. now i you had a water seperater in that drain line then ok. but i know water(moisture) would be getting into my oil pan.
and i have ran mine on a closed system and an open system both have moisture. i know mine is alot for eathonal. but it is jsut as easy to drain my cans when i drain my oil to do a change.
11-22-2012, 08:51 PM
#129
This is not the first time I've set one of these systems up.
This may be a new thing to you guys but not for me.
The devils is in the details.
I'll give you an example of how a pcv system can effect a stock daily driver.
My wife has a 08 Hyundai Santa Fe that just turned 100k miles.
About 6 months ago out of the blue it was 1/2 QT low on oil, no big deal it had almost 100k on it and it's about due for a oil change.
About 3 weeks after the oil change I check the oil and it won't touch the stick.
It took 3-1/2 qt's to get it back right on the stick.
I'm thinking it has a major leak. To my surprise it was dry as a bone, no leaks, no smocking.
We drive to New Orleans about 50 miles, to have dinner that night, after dinner I check the oil and it's 3/4 qt low.
I top it off and drive back home thinking something is bad wrong here.
The PCV valve screws into the valve cover, I take it out and the valve was stuck.
This was on a Saturday and no body had one in stock.
I fill a paint can cap with lacquer thinner and soak the PCV valve about 20 min's
blow it out and repeat until it was clean.
It has not used a drop of oil since.
The Crank case ventilation is very important and how it is setup is also very important.
This may be a new thing to you guys but not for me.
The devils is in the details.
I'll give you an example of how a pcv system can effect a stock daily driver.
My wife has a 08 Hyundai Santa Fe that just turned 100k miles.
About 6 months ago out of the blue it was 1/2 QT low on oil, no big deal it had almost 100k on it and it's about due for a oil change.
About 3 weeks after the oil change I check the oil and it won't touch the stick.
It took 3-1/2 qt's to get it back right on the stick.
I'm thinking it has a major leak. To my surprise it was dry as a bone, no leaks, no smocking.
We drive to New Orleans about 50 miles, to have dinner that night, after dinner I check the oil and it's 3/4 qt low.
I top it off and drive back home thinking something is bad wrong here.
The PCV valve screws into the valve cover, I take it out and the valve was stuck.
This was on a Saturday and no body had one in stock.
I fill a paint can cap with lacquer thinner and soak the PCV valve about 20 min's
blow it out and repeat until it was clean.
It has not used a drop of oil since.
The Crank case ventilation is very important and how it is setup is also very important.
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11-22-2012, 09:26 PM
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I've always vented to atmosphere thru breather filters on my force inducted motors, I never wanted to take a chance and get detonation from oil entering the combustion chamber.
11-22-2012, 10:23 PM
#133
The large hose that is coming from the side of the can at the top is going to the passenger
turbo inlet.
In stock form GM vented the crank case into the non vacuum side of the throttle body.
This system works exactly like the stock system except the can is a oil/air separator
keeping oil out of the turbo.
turbo inlet.
In stock form GM vented the crank case into the non vacuum side of the throttle body.
This system works exactly like the stock system except the can is a oil/air separator
keeping oil out of the turbo.
11-22-2012, 10:24 PM
#134
To use the word Catch Can is misleading....
Some of you hear catch can and think about all the setups that most people do. Where the can just catches. In those systems you get that nasty build up because they let the oil sit for weeks or months at a time. Grab a dixie cup, pour it half full of oil and set it on the back porch for 30 days....tell me what it looks like afterwards.....Thats a "catch can" system for ya.
This is a true PCV system for a Forced induction engine NOT a "catch can install" the nasty stuff that resides in most catch cans won't be found in our setup because it is constantly be relieved and drawn down.
I understand the doubt, this is much different than what you guys are used to seeing.
I promise that it works flawlessly.
Chris and I have gone over this design with a fine toothed comb, there are no errors in the way that it operates.
You guys are just gonna have to trust us..... lol
FYI we are going to sell this PCV system as a new product soon.
Some of you hear catch can and think about all the setups that most people do. Where the can just catches. In those systems you get that nasty build up because they let the oil sit for weeks or months at a time. Grab a dixie cup, pour it half full of oil and set it on the back porch for 30 days....tell me what it looks like afterwards.....Thats a "catch can" system for ya.
This is a true PCV system for a Forced induction engine NOT a "catch can install" the nasty stuff that resides in most catch cans won't be found in our setup because it is constantly be relieved and drawn down.
I understand the doubt, this is much different than what you guys are used to seeing.
I promise that it works flawlessly.
Chris and I have gone over this design with a fine toothed comb, there are no errors in the way that it operates.
You guys are just gonna have to trust us..... lol
FYI we are going to sell this PCV system as a new product soon.
11-23-2012, 09:30 AM
#136
Exactly! The moisture that we are talking about draining out of our catch can. You will be draining right back into your motor..
This **** isn't rocket sience and we don't need anyone to try and explain anything.
Fact is moisture builds up in crankcases and motors.
In a PCv setup your motor burns it up during combustion.
In a catch can setup you drain it out every so offten.
In yalls setup, you drain it back to the oil pan.
Your not magically changing what gets vented out of the valve cover. All your doing is managing it a different way.
This **** isn't rocket sience and we don't need anyone to try and explain anything.
Fact is moisture builds up in crankcases and motors.
In a PCv setup your motor burns it up during combustion.
In a catch can setup you drain it out every so offten.
In yalls setup, you drain it back to the oil pan.
Your not magically changing what gets vented out of the valve cover. All your doing is managing it a different way.
To use the word Catch Can is misleading....
Some of you hear catch can and think about all the setups that most people do. Where the can just catches. In those systems you get that nasty build up because they let the oil sit for weeks or months at a time. Grab a dixie cup, pour it half full of oil and set it on the back porch for 30 days....tell me what it looks like afterwards.....Thats a "catch can" system for ya.
This is a true PCV system for a Forced induction engine NOT a "catch can install" the nasty stuff that resides in most catch cans won't be found in our setup because it is constantly be relieved and drawn down.
I understand the doubt, this is much different than what you guys are used to seeing.
I promise that it works flawlessly.
Chris and I have gone over this design with a fine toothed comb, there are no errors in the way that it operates.
You guys are just gonna have to trust us..... lol
FYI we are going to sell this PCV system as a new product soon.
Some of you hear catch can and think about all the setups that most people do. Where the can just catches. In those systems you get that nasty build up because they let the oil sit for weeks or months at a time. Grab a dixie cup, pour it half full of oil and set it on the back porch for 30 days....tell me what it looks like afterwards.....Thats a "catch can" system for ya.
This is a true PCV system for a Forced induction engine NOT a "catch can install" the nasty stuff that resides in most catch cans won't be found in our setup because it is constantly be relieved and drawn down.
I understand the doubt, this is much different than what you guys are used to seeing.
I promise that it works flawlessly.
Chris and I have gone over this design with a fine toothed comb, there are no errors in the way that it operates.
You guys are just gonna have to trust us..... lol
FYI we are going to sell this PCV system as a new product soon.
11-23-2012, 10:07 AM
#137
11-23-2012, 12:43 PM
#138
But chris. What stops the water from going into the pan??
Moisture will still build so your putting water in the oil.
I think your idea is great. Just need to get a oil/water separator in that plastic line.
Moisture will still build so your putting water in the oil.
I think your idea is great. Just need to get a oil/water separator in that plastic line.
11-23-2012, 01:07 PM
#139
The reason you have water in your can is it sits and the air is not circulated.
This system has fresh air being drawn through it the whole time the motor it running.
It works just like a stock factory PCV system on any turbo power car.
The only difference is the can is between the turbo inlet and the motor to separate
oil from the air. The oil that collects drains back to the pan.
Think of the can a fancy external valve cover baffle.
If I made a trick valve cover with a complex baffle that would do the same job
you wouldn't question it.
This system has fresh air being drawn through it the whole time the motor it running.
It works just like a stock factory PCV system on any turbo power car.
The only difference is the can is between the turbo inlet and the motor to separate
oil from the air. The oil that collects drains back to the pan.
Think of the can a fancy external valve cover baffle.
If I made a trick valve cover with a complex baffle that would do the same job
you wouldn't question it.
11-23-2012, 01:14 PM
#140
air still circulates in a closed system with a catch can and water vapor still builds up. so how will vapor not build.
im following you for the most part. just only thing you are adding is a drain line. in comparision to a "normal" closed pcv system with a catch can.
both should get water in them. both have air circulating around them. yes oil will sit in the catch can but the air is still circulating.
im following you for the most part. just only thing you are adding is a drain line. in comparision to a "normal" closed pcv system with a catch can.
both should get water in them. both have air circulating around them. yes oil will sit in the catch can but the air is still circulating.