HPTuners for boost
01-04-2015, 01:42 PM
#42
My car is boosted but curious on how accurate the stock o2's are. The tuner that tunes some extremly fast ls cars locally here tunes with o2's on (assuming with a wideband as a 3rd) then when tuned he turns them off. So as of now my o2's are out of the car since the computer isn't using them.
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
01-04-2015, 02:16 PM
#43
On the 3 bar, Yes I will, since that will be my setup.
My car is boosted but curious on how accurate the stock o2's are. The tuner that tunes some extremly fast ls cars locally here tunes with o2's on (assuming with a wideband as a 3rd) then when tuned he turns them off. So as of now my o2's are out of the car since the computer isn't using them.
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
01-06-2015, 12:36 PM
#46
I know you said on the first page, everything your doing, is from Dan's book. I was wondering if you have any tuning experience of your own? Either way, I appreciate the posting. BTW, please show how you set up your scanner setting, and how you use them to tune, when you get to that!
01-06-2015, 01:02 PM
#47
Yes. But on LT1edit, Tunercat and Tunerpro, all for my LT1. I've been using these to tune my LT1 when it was just heads and cam, then nitrous, then solid roller cam'd and now the turbo setup since 2008. I've ran both a MAF based 1 bar setup and the current 2 bar speed density.
Because I'm doing a 5.3 turbo build (initially with a single PT7675 and later this Summer, twin GT35's) I wanted to get involved with the tuning for the 5.3 with HPTuner or EFI Live. Both softwares seem extremely capable but I initially encountered a complete vacuum on both. No matter whom I contacted, I essentially got "You should buy it!" but little or nothing else when I asked questions about the 2 bar and 3 bar setups. Going to the HPTuner and EFI forums was equally frustrating. I'd see questions like mine asked and no responses, even months after the questions were posed. I guess either everyone is busy or doesn't have time to talk/type or some other issue. It was damned frustrating. I sent out several emails to HPtuners and a few to EFILive but got nothing back.
That is when, like I've done with other projects, I've said to myself, "Well, if no one is going to help me, I'll just do it myself and *I* will publish how to do it". I was one of the first to write up how to install a high end clutch in the LT1's back in 1996. One of the first to write up a web page on the 'trap door' for fuel pumps. I didn't do the trap door installation but I gathered the info/pictures from guys that did it and published it. Same with the cylinder lock replacement. I have really appreciated all the great input and tips you all have given me over the years. You've saved me a lot of time and money. But this (HPTuners), like a few other oddities, seems to be an arena where either there's limited knowledge or some other constriction. I hope I can at least open the door a little.
Ditto on the fine tuning section. Looking forward to that.
Thanks,
Dave
Because I'm doing a 5.3 turbo build (initially with a single PT7675 and later this Summer, twin GT35's) I wanted to get involved with the tuning for the 5.3 with HPTuner or EFI Live. Both softwares seem extremely capable but I initially encountered a complete vacuum on both. No matter whom I contacted, I essentially got "You should buy it!" but little or nothing else when I asked questions about the 2 bar and 3 bar setups. Going to the HPTuner and EFI forums was equally frustrating. I'd see questions like mine asked and no responses, even months after the questions were posed. I guess either everyone is busy or doesn't have time to talk/type or some other issue. It was damned frustrating. I sent out several emails to HPtuners and a few to EFILive but got nothing back.
That is when, like I've done with other projects, I've said to myself, "Well, if no one is going to help me, I'll just do it myself and *I* will publish how to do it". I was one of the first to write up how to install a high end clutch in the LT1's back in 1996. One of the first to write up a web page on the 'trap door' for fuel pumps. I didn't do the trap door installation but I gathered the info/pictures from guys that did it and published it. Same with the cylinder lock replacement. I have really appreciated all the great input and tips you all have given me over the years. You've saved me a lot of time and money. But this (HPTuners), like a few other oddities, seems to be an arena where either there's limited knowledge or some other constriction. I hope I can at least open the door a little.
Ditto on the fine tuning section. Looking forward to that.
Thanks,
Dave
I know you said on the first page, everything your doing, is from Dan's book. I was wondering if you have any tuning experience of your own? Either way, I appreciate the posting. BTW, please show how you set up your scanner setting, and how you use them to tune, when you get to that!
01-06-2015, 08:33 PM
#48
My car is boosted but curious on how accurate the stock o2's are. The tuner that tunes some extremly fast ls cars locally here tunes with o2's on (assuming with a wideband as a 3rd) then when tuned he turns them off. So as of now my o2's are out of the car since the computer isn't using them.
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
You going to show any 3bar map stuff by chance?
01-06-2015, 10:33 PM
#49
Leaving the NB O2's in is good for a street car. You can use them for all the part throttle steady state tuning. And they make a dandy verification for your WB.
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
01-06-2015, 10:59 PM
#50
Ron , thanks for the input.
Just to be clear, are you meaning the entire boost area of the VE, the part that was interpolated or area beyond the interpolation?
Just to be clear, are you meaning the entire boost area of the VE, the part that was interpolated or area beyond the interpolation?
Leaving the NB O2's in is good for a street car. You can use them for all the part throttle steady state tuning. And they make a dandy verification for your WB.
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
01-07-2015, 08:18 AM
#51
One thing I want to stress, is that the VE portrayed is not the finished product. Dan set that up, intending to only go to about 4000 rpm to see how the fueling up to that point went on the dyno. The end VE table after he evaluated that setting, made adjustments, re-dyno'd, then expanded the changed range, interpolated some more and ended up with the default 175 in some of the high RPM/KPA axis.
I will have to hand enter the cells to get his finished VE and that will take awhile. Plus, I'm working at my day job all day typically. I'm a contract programmer.
I will have to hand enter the cells to get his finished VE and that will take awhile. Plus, I'm working at my day job all day typically. I'm a contract programmer.
Leaving the NB O2's in is good for a street car. You can use them for all the part throttle steady state tuning. And they make a dandy verification for your WB.
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
I did the part throttle stuff both ways. Sort of used a combo.
WOT of course you need the WB.
BTW, that Malsic setup for the VE will be dead rich in boost. It will practically drown the thing....,
Ron
01-07-2015, 02:20 PM
#53
Added two more screen shots to the VE section. One shows Dans final VE settings for the 9psi(maximum intended boost) plus a further interpolation for the vectors encompassed in the 140 to 210 KPA ranges. These are all just examples folks. I do have access to a couple of 2 and 3 bar HPtunes from the HPTuner repository. The VE's and Spark seem to be in keeping with what Dan portrays. Not verbatim, since every car is different, but close.
01-08-2015, 08:17 AM
#55
Thanks Ron. I'll be going over Spark settings next. I will show a stock 5.3 spark table (which is either very conservative advances or testament to an efficient combustion chamber), a stock 5.7 spark table, then a spark table from a couple of 2 bar tunes, Dans settings for his 9psi project Z28, then finally, one of Denmahs submitted 3 bar spark tables so people can look and make conclusions about the methodology employed to specify a boosted applications spark advance setup.
01-11-2015, 08:24 PM
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ls swap and boost love your write up, lots of info. I'm doing a ls1 408 swap with a twin turbo. I have a 4896 ecm that I want to flash to a 411. Do I have to scan the 4896 just to get the Vin so I can edit it into a camaro ls1 (411) file. Then start to tune like you've posted. Any advice would be appreciated.
01-11-2015, 08:40 PM
#58
hptuners has to be one of the easiest tuning software i have ever used. Nothing but great stuff from HPT IMO. the only thing that does suck is that they dont have a damn phone number to call em about actual hardware problems. As far as tuning help, you can find everything on their forum, if you haven't found it you probably arent looking hard enough. 
01-12-2015, 07:13 AM
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Players 91, While I've not actually done that particular activity, in my research, I've read some horror stories where a fellow finds a tune that seemed like it had most of what he wanted but it came from a different PCM type than what the car owner had. The car owner thought, "I can just use my software and upload this new tune and I can start refining it from there". But, and my memory is sketchy on the specifics, different PCMs can park the many tables in either slightly different or completely different regions of the PCM's memory from one another. The end result was that (a) the car wouldn't start and (b) the PCM was fouled where they couldn't even reload it with the prior tune. The adomonishment I see over and over is, whatever PCM you have in the car , pull THAT flash file tune into your editor. Then, using the 'compare file' feature ,bring up the other file that has some/all of your desired settings, then you can use the copy feature and it will map the cells from that file into your current file. Then save and upload to your current PCM.
I'm going to see if I can find those accounts where people ran into disaster by just uploading tunes they found without regard to the compatibility aspect and, if I do, will link it. If not, I'll edit this response.
I'm going to see if I can find those accounts where people ran into disaster by just uploading tunes they found without regard to the compatibility aspect and, if I do, will link it. If not, I'll edit this response.
01-12-2015, 09:34 AM
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ls swap and boost Players 91, While I've not actually done that particular activity, in my research, I've read some horror stories where a fellow finds a tune that seemed like it had most of what he wanted but it came from a different PCM type than what the car owner had. The car owner thought, "I can just use my software and upload this new tune and I can start refining it from there". But, and my memory is sketchy on the specifics, different PCMs can park the many tables in either slightly different or completely different regions of the PCM's memory from one another. The end result was that (a) the car wouldn't start and (b) the PCM was fouled where they couldn't even reload it with the prior tune. The adomonishment I see over and over is, whatever PCM you have in the car , pull THAT flash file tune into your editor. Then, using the 'compare file' feature ,bring up the other file that has some/all of your desired settings, then you can use the copy feature and it will map the cells from that file into your current file. Then save and upload to your current PCM.
I'm going to see if I can find those accounts where people ran into disaster by just uploading tunes they found without regard to the compatibility aspect and, if I do, will link it. If not, I'll edit this response.
I'm going to see if I can find those accounts where people ran into disaster by just uploading tunes they found without regard to the compatibility aspect and, if I do, will link it. If not, I'll edit this response.