Why so many spun cam bearings
Why so many spun cam bearings Why do we see so many spun cam bearings on theses gen 3 engines? Is it because the shortblocks are not taken apart and cleaned, just run? Not cleaned properly? High mileage shouldn't spin a cam bearing. Seems to be an issue with these engines. Whats the common denominator?
I'll bet people running thicker oil is one of the problems. People don't seem to realize that the pressure sending unit is before all the bearings, so higher pressure at the sending unit doesn't mean more oil in the bearings. Pressure is caused by resistance to flow so high pressure means less flow.
Other than that, I'd guess high RPM with low oil level is causing problems when all the oil is in the top end and there's not enough in the pan.
I'm sure there are other problems, but I'm willing to be those 2 cause a lot of damage.
Other than that, I'd guess high RPM with low oil level is causing problems when all the oil is in the top end and there's not enough in the pan.
I'm sure there are other problems, but I'm willing to be those 2 cause a lot of damage.
All make good sense. I worked for Ford when the modular 4.6 engines came out. There were service bulletins about running any oil heavier than 5/20-30 (if I remember correctly) otherwise the engine would lock the cams in the heads. They didn't have cam bearings. The cams just rode in the machined journals right in the head. I'm betting draining pans on turbo applications is a cause as well.
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I'd find it hard to believe the oil is the issue...either way there are too many for comfort, and I was one victim, LS2 block.
Not sure if the bearings were factory bearings or installed by others, as I bought the "new" shortblock from someone other than the builder.
I pinned mine after that so it wont be happening again !
Not sure if the bearings were factory bearings or installed by others, as I bought the "new" shortblock from someone other than the builder.
I pinned mine after that so it wont be happening again !
I'd like a good answer to this also. 5.3 with a tick cam about 15-20 min run time and fused fast to cam bearings. Not blaming cam at all but everyone says oiling problems. I don't know. Had to remove cam from block with sledge hammer and pipe and took over an hour to do.
I'd like a good answer to this also. 5.3 with a tick cam about 15-20 min run time and fused fast to cam bearings. Not blaming cam at all but everyone says oiling problems. I don't know. Had to remove cam from block with sledge hammer and pipe and took over an hour to do.
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Added same valve springs, seats, pushrods , oil pump etc. to another stock 5.3 but used a lil john/stage 3 turbo cam. Only thing I changed was Mobil 1 oil 10/30 ,k&n filter and raised pick up off bottom of pan from 1/4" to 1/2". Put over 100 miles on it and good oil pressure.
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Verdad Gallardo Let's face it, bearings only spin of they get hot. Which means either they got starved of oil, clearances were too tight or something was bent. I'm sure you didn't bend the cam. Clearances? Hard to tell. Tick sells a lot of cams. Not sure if he does his own grinding or uses someone else's cores. But unless it was measured before install, we'll never know. Oil starvation, could be. Have you considered switching to a good 5/30 oil? Maybe the 10/30 is a bit too heavy and if you have a clearance that's on the tight side, might just be enough to starve it a little. Just thinking out loud. Trying to get this figured out so we can keep this from happening. Was the pump in the damaged engine a high volume pump? High volume with a stock pan could cause issues if you don't run some additional oil.
I was running 5 - 30 in my 5.3 when it spun two cam bearings after about 45 min of street time and several dyno pulls. Original bearings in a 100k mile motor. Custom ground comp cam. Comp springs and hardened push rods. Maybe it's the added spring pressure beating them up?
Let's face it, bearings only spin of they get hot. Which means either they got starved of oil, clearances were too tight or something was bent. I'm sure you didn't bend the cam. Clearances? Hard to tell. Tick sells a lot of cams. Not sure if he does his own grinding or uses someone else's cores. But unless it was measured before install, we'll never know. Oil starvation, could be. Have you considered switching to a good 5/30 oil? Maybe the 10/30 is a bit too heavy and if you have a clearance that's on the tight side, might just be enough to starve it a little. Just thinking out loud. Trying to get this figured out so we can keep this from happening. Was the pump in the damaged engine a high volume pump? High volume with a stock pan could cause issues if you don't run some additional oil.
High volume pump was brand new in motor. Cleaned it out after I tore motor down and reused it in new motor. Only ran 5psi threw old motor. Only 5 psi threw new motor also. Running street and performance fbody pan that is notched for clearance to crossmember. Running 5.5 qts which is a little past hashed marks on dipstick. Should I run 5w30? I will be dumping oil this week to check it out and will have to get new oil.
Most companies sub out to cam companies. Tick cam I got was a comp cam just ground to martins specs. Lil John cam made by comp cams ground to his specs. Let me tell you comp is by far the worst company to try and get support or answers from. I spoke to them about my first motor and they didn't care what my setup was he cut me off and said what is my ? About cam. I told him what happened and he said sounds like lack of oil. I'm sure they tell that to everyone that calls with cam failures. They really pissed me off. He said what do you want me to do about it. I said no way in hell I'd order another cam Made by comp and I ordered a lil john cam and forgot to ask who's cores they use. Well comp cam showed up. Luckily no issues yet.
High volume pump was brand new in motor. Cleaned it out after I tore motor down and reused it in new motor. Only ran 5psi threw old motor. Only 5 psi threw new motor also. Running street and performance fbody pan that is notched for clearance to crossmember. Running 5.5 qts which is a little past hashed marks on dipstick. Should I run 5w30? I will be dumping oil this week to check it out and will have to get new oil.
Most companies sub out to cam companies. Tick cam I got was a comp cam just ground to martins specs. Lil John cam made by comp cams ground to his specs. Let me tell you comp is by far the worst company to try and get support or answers from. I spoke to them about my first motor and they didn't care what my setup was he cut me off and said what is my ? About cam. I told him what happened and he said sounds like lack of oil. I'm sure they tell that to everyone that calls with cam failures. They really pissed me off. He said what do you want me to do about it. I said no way in hell I'd order another cam Made by comp and I ordered a lil john cam and forgot to ask who's cores they use. Well comp cam showed up. Luckily no issues yet.
Got ya. Yeah I figured stock ls1 pan holds 5.5 qts. So i figured with less room in there I'd still add 5.5 qts and it would be filled higher in pan. So I should def. run 6.5-7 quarts your saying. Seems like a lot. But I never had or ran a setup like this so I don't know. I guess it has turbo to fill, lines , drain , mechanical oil pressure gauge line, oil filter etc. I'll def. do 6.5 this week.
yes, all the turbo stuff isn't accounted for when they calculate the pan capacity at the factory. I've heard some guys fill until it just comes out the turbo drain and leave it there.
I have not heard of cam bearing problems b4 this post-is it stock cams or aftermarket that has problems-maybe GM is using tighter specs with the thinner oils, and doesn't leave room for cam journals that are on the high side