Summit Racing Intercoolers
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If I can run 9s on single digit boost with 110*F IATs at the end of the track on a $160 ebay intercooler, what is a $900 intercooler going to gain me realistically?
The same ET with 15* lower temps? I don't pull a single degree of timing until 180, so what am I really getting from that extra $700?
If I turn up the boost to 20+ PSI and run bottom 8's on that same $160 intercooler but am seeing 180* IATs and 6 PSI of pressure drop, THEN it might be time to consider another intercooler.
Walmart take that! I switched from Rotella to Walmart and my oil pressure went up a few PSI, odd.
Seriously, this! I don't get why people care about boost levels, OMG he made 800hp on 10psi but he spent $15k on parts, meanwhile 5.3 guy made 800 with $1200 in parts on double the boost... neat.
^ this guy gets it. Typical cheap borgs will crank out 30+ psi through a treadstone anyways... who runs more then that on the street? Screw the haters that are scared of man boost and boiling IAT's 
Some people have to have to the best of everything.
If I can run 9s on single digit boost with 110*F IATs at the end of the track on a $160 ebay intercooler, what is a $900 intercooler going to gain me realistically?
The same ET with 15* lower temps? I don't pull a single degree of timing until 180, so what am I really getting from that extra $700?
If I turn up the boost to 20+ PSI and run bottom 8's on that same $160 intercooler but am seeing 180* IATs and 6 PSI of pressure drop, THEN it might be time to consider another intercooler.
If I can run 9s on single digit boost with 110*F IATs at the end of the track on a $160 ebay intercooler, what is a $900 intercooler going to gain me realistically?
The same ET with 15* lower temps? I don't pull a single degree of timing until 180, so what am I really getting from that extra $700?
If I turn up the boost to 20+ PSI and run bottom 8's on that same $160 intercooler but am seeing 180* IATs and 6 PSI of pressure drop, THEN it might be time to consider another intercooler.
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Some people have to have to the best of everything.
If I can run 9s on single digit boost with 110*F IATs at the end of the track on a $160 ebay intercooler, what is a $900 intercooler going to gain me realistically?
The same ET with 15* lower temps? I don't pull a single degree of timing until 180, so what am I really getting from that extra $700?
If I turn up the boost to 20+ PSI and run bottom 8's on that same $160 intercooler but am seeing 180* IATs and 6 PSI of pressure drop, THEN it might be time to consider another intercooler.
If I can run 9s on single digit boost with 110*F IATs at the end of the track on a $160 ebay intercooler, what is a $900 intercooler going to gain me realistically?
The same ET with 15* lower temps? I don't pull a single degree of timing until 180, so what am I really getting from that extra $700?
If I turn up the boost to 20+ PSI and run bottom 8's on that same $160 intercooler but am seeing 180* IATs and 6 PSI of pressure drop, THEN it might be time to consider another intercooler.
Why would you spend $900 on an intercooler ? Even a big Garrett core is like $4-500, and it's a piece of **** to make some end tanks. Or hell...just cut them off some Chinese units and weld them on.
$900 would need to be a pretty special intercooler.
But if an extra $3-400 can net you an intercooler that will run cooler, and free up maybe 100-150hp....that is more than worth it.
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Why would you spend $900 on an intercooler ? Even a big Garrett core is like $4-500, and it's a piece of **** to make some end tanks. Or hell...just cut them off some Chinese units and weld them on.
$900 would need to be a pretty special intercooler.
But if an extra $3-400 can net you an intercooler that will run cooler, and free up maybe 100-150hp....that is more than worth it.
$900 would need to be a pretty special intercooler.
But if an extra $3-400 can net you an intercooler that will run cooler, and free up maybe 100-150hp....that is more than worth it.
So $580, plus a $160 intercooler to cut up for end tanks, plus $50 to go refill my argon bottle, plus some aluminum filler rod $25, and about 3-5 hours of time.
$815 and I can replace my ebay intercooler, which has 110* IATs and 0.5 PSI pressure drop at the 9 PSI I'm running on the gate pressure.
Man I sure do hope that extra $655 spent frees up another 100-150 HP, puts me at 40* IATs at the end of the run, and drops at least half a second off of my time.
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Bell are overpriced, seems pointless to use them as a comparison...and again, another one fixated with only short 1/4 mile stuff.
It is also comical that not so long ago many on a forum like this would be crying to buy American etc etc....it really is hilarious that everyone is now buy Chinese LOL
It is also comical that not so long ago many on a forum like this would be crying to buy American etc etc....it really is hilarious that everyone is now buy Chinese LOL
If it’s worth anything to this discussion, the car is a street car with many trips to the track planned. If it was a straight drag car, I wouldn’t have thought twice about an intercooler and would have run meth.
Street driving was the main concern when looking for an intercooler that was efficient and the reason for starting this thread
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Street driving was the main concern when looking for an intercooler that was efficient and the reason for starting this thread
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Bell are overpriced, seems pointless to use them as a comparison...and again, another one fixated with only short 1/4 mile stuff.
It is also comical that not so long ago many on a forum like this would be crying to buy American etc etc....it really is hilarious that everyone is now buy Chinese LOL
It is also comical that not so long ago many on a forum like this would be crying to buy American etc etc....it really is hilarious that everyone is now buy Chinese LOL
There is a new generation of people who could never afford to do what the older generation has done, so they've learned to make do with what they have, and learned they can go even faster with less $.
I spend almost as much on cars and other engine powered toys on an annual basis as I do my mortgage payment.
My neighbor spends significantly more than I do. His 70 trans am got a $6000 engine rebuild and a $7500 paint job last summer and now he thinks that all 375 HP of it is pure race car.
That $13500 is the exact amount of money that I have in my Corvette, and he swears that I must have $50k in it using his car as a comparison.
My car isn't 1/4 only. I've autocrossed with it before and it gets LONG spirited drives with no IAT issues. I originally built it for the road course, but there aren't many available in my area.
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Verdad Gallardo Why would you spend $900 on an intercooler ? Even a big Garrett core is like $4-500, and it's a piece of **** to make some end tanks. Or hell...just cut them off some Chinese units and weld them on.
$900 would need to be a pretty special intercooler.
But if an extra $3-400 can net you an intercooler that will run cooler, and free up maybe 100-150hp....that is more than worth it.
$900 would need to be a pretty special intercooler.
But if an extra $3-400 can net you an intercooler that will run cooler, and free up maybe 100-150hp....that is more than worth it.
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You should really sell Garrett core intercoolers if you can make them for less then $750, you could sell them for profit all day long as nobody really offers an affordable Garrett cored assembled unit. Despite the 1000hp core only being $400 most places by the time you pay for endtanks and welding time your into it for closer to what one of the 2000hp assembled units go for at over $1000. Even the knockoff units from frozenboost which you would call junk are $700, Precisions 1000hp assembled is $1,100, etc..
Well that would be a bit silly.
By the time I bought them, shipped them half way around the world, paid import duties, did the work, and then shipped them back half way around the world....
Well no, only a fool would think that would be cost effective, compared to someone doing it themselves in the US for a few hundred dollars buying the core and parts locally.
And why pay some of those big numbers ? Just do it yourself.
Well that would be a bit silly.
By the time I bought them, shipped them half way around the world, paid import duties, did the work, and then shipped them back half way around the world....
Well no, only a fool would think that would be cost effective, compared to someone doing it themselves in the US for a few hundred dollars buying the core and parts locally.
And why pay some of those big numbers ? Just do it yourself.
By the time I bought them, shipped them half way around the world, paid import duties, did the work, and then shipped them back half way around the world....
Well no, only a fool would think that would be cost effective, compared to someone doing it themselves in the US for a few hundred dollars buying the core and parts locally.
And why pay some of those big numbers ? Just do it yourself.
I finally agree with you, lol. A Synchrowave would take up 4x the space of my Longevity, and do exactly the same thing. Make ugly, but functional welds with my hands at the controls.
I do, but a lot of people don't. You only use the best of everything, makes no sense to use a peasant chinese welder on your holy Garrett cores. You always find a way to complain so I’m sure you would complain even more about a junk welder then you would an eBay intercooler.
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Man do they suck at aluminum lol.
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We're getting one taken to our studio and we'll snap some shots of it here today. SUM-260005 seems to be pretty popular so we'll go with that one. The CFM ratings and horsepower ratings tossed around are a little goofy in our opinion. Nobody can actually test that because everyone's combination is different. The only thing that matters is what IAT rise is over the course of a run with your combination.
There was an earlier comment about Summit and overseas parts. Some parts are (less than 50% over a huge number of parts of all types), most are not. We actually manufacturer a lot ourselves here locally at local machine shops. Our Pro LS cams and pistons are American made for instance and kicking butt etc. Some parts like a $300 intercooler are just a $300 Chinese intercooler, but we do stand by them and quickly remove any parts that have any issues. It's not worth putting our name on poor quality parts.
There was an earlier comment about Summit and overseas parts. Some parts are (less than 50% over a huge number of parts of all types), most are not. We actually manufacturer a lot ourselves here locally at local machine shops. Our Pro LS cams and pistons are American made for instance and kicking butt etc. Some parts like a $300 intercooler are just a $300 Chinese intercooler, but we do stand by them and quickly remove any parts that have any issues. It's not worth putting our name on poor quality parts.
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We're getting one taken to our studio and we'll snap some shots of it here today. SUM-260005 seems to be pretty popular so we'll go with that one. The CFM ratings and horsepower ratings tossed around are a little goofy in our opinion. Nobody can actually test that because everyone's combination is different. The only thing that matters is what IAT rise is over the course of a run with your combination.
There was an earlier comment about Summit and overseas parts. Some parts are (less than 50% over a huge number of parts of all types), most are not. We actually manufacturer a lot ourselves here locally at local machine shops. Our Pro LS cams and pistons are American made for instance and kicking butt etc. Some parts like a $300 intercooler are just a $300 Chinese intercooler, but we do stand by them and quickly remove any parts that have any issues. It's not worth putting our name on poor quality parts.
There was an earlier comment about Summit and overseas parts. Some parts are (less than 50% over a huge number of parts of all types), most are not. We actually manufacturer a lot ourselves here locally at local machine shops. Our Pro LS cams and pistons are American made for instance and kicking butt etc. Some parts like a $300 intercooler are just a $300 Chinese intercooler, but we do stand by them and quickly remove any parts that have any issues. It's not worth putting our name on poor quality parts.
I don't think anyone here is faulting Summit for selling some overseas parts, the issue was with the price. Honestly, though, I would expect the price to be higher.
I actually have a shelf full of expensive, broken or wrong parts in my garage that are all brand new.
All damaged in shipping, received wrong part, or got a factory defect.
Fitting shipped in error, gaskets that don't match, a turbo that doesn't spin, electric fans that shut off when warm, and a brake/rotor set for my daily that fits a different car.
None of the sellers will take returns.
When I bought my LS swap radiator for my Nova from Summit, it showed up with a dented corner. It was bent in on the corner where the cap is, making the cap not seal.
I called Summit for a replacement, and since I'm in Ohio, I had the damaged one picked up and a replacement delivered the very next day, ZERO issues.
I might've saved a few bucks ordering that radiator somewhere else, but I would've waited 3 or 4 extra days on it and then been stuck with a $320 paperweight.
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I do, but a lot of people don't. You only use the best of everything, makes no sense to use a peasant chinese welder on your holy Garrett cores. You always find a way to complain so I’m sure you would complain even more about a junk welder then you would an eBay intercooler.
You really are on a different planet. Using good value and quality parts, doesnt mean they are the best of everything.
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