I dont think you understand the difference between "Price" and "Worth"

I'll try to explain with a question: What is the worth, to you, of a $160 fan that doesn't improve your cooling? ... the answer is zero.

We have countless customers with beautiful $100k cars that couldn't drive them because of overheating, basically a very shiny brick. They used every $150 fan on the market and nothing. They upgrade to Delta PAG cooling and now they have a useable car. Doing a cheap paint job or stock steel rims, sure save money there. But don't go cheap on what makes the car drivable, like cooling. And brakes, don't do cheap brakes.

 

obviously you haven’t been reading my posts. My car runs at 205 to 208 max in 98f humid heat. It used to run 220-230. Not sure how that’s not an improvement. Am I satisfied? Not yet, but it’s not a fan problem I have, it’s an under hood flow problem. Your fans won’t fix that. Besides, having to keep a spare $150 module because of failures is really not in my interest. Sounds like an over expensive, unreliable for daily driving…choice. You can keep your fans, and your attitude. I’d rather be stuck on the side of the road over heated with three blown head gaskets than to buy something from an unprofessional, snarky fella like yourself. Wish you luck. Now please go troll and be snarky to people in another thread.

 

you havent seen **** of what I've done and dont know anything about me or my work, yet you cant stop **** talking it.
i had to cut pieces of plastic to plug all the open slots on your ecm connector to keep it properly sealed.
the ONLY reason i used your unserviceable fuse/relay panel with a bunch of butt connectors is so when another ecm decides to randomly **** itself you might actually help me instead of calling me stupid.

the delta fans are really nice, but anyone that expects any kind of customer support can see here first person how they will be treated.

 

well then. There’s that ^^^^

 

What are you talking about David!? we were nothing but helpful, we prewired the whole thing for you even sent a free high quality SuperStat thermostat. Talk about being ungrateful.

We never called you stupid, but you did make a wiring mistake or accidentally shorted it out when you were bench testing one, makes sense because only one had issues and the other was fine, anyway **** happens, own your f'up. We got you sorted and like you said these fans move a ton of air and cooling issue resolved, no cutting hoods or upgrading alternators.

Got an idea. If you're not happy with the performance, send it back for a refund and buy something else.

As far as bed side manner, I'm not a sales guy, I'm not going to pet your hair and tell you "there, there dear" Im an engineer from NYC, I tell it how it is. If you f-ed up, you f'ed up. Be a man own it.

 

I like this DeltaPAG guy, if I needed a fan I would probably order one of his.

 

in reading all the past posts from you and your shenanigans, you two are like two peas in a pod. I’m not surprised one bit.

 

so its normal for both to be working fine for 15 minutes then one just stops from something i did 4 hours earlier?
sounds like youre operating under the assumption that your product has a 0% manufacturing defect rate.

 

make sure you talk to john first to know all the undocumented ways you can hurt it that wont affect any other fan or well engineered electronic device. also double check the amp draw before wiring it in because its about 25% higher than spec for the 12" one.

 

i wouldn’t warn this guy. I found out a while back that he knows everything, he’s faster and better than everyone else. He could probably tell the delta pag guy how to run his business better, make his fans better and probably a cure for cancer too.

Im sorry, im just in a smart *** mood today. Rough week at work. I’m just joking really. Dic, I mean Nic is probably a swell fella. He just has a weird way of showing it I guess.

 

considering delta said earlier in the thread that they purposefully omitted multiple protection circuits from their ecm, youre probably right that nic, or any other freshman ee could help them.

i guess i should be more thankful that they sent me a $6 thermostat that i neither needed nor asked for and it only delayed the job a week after telling me the parts would ship the next day.

 

Man if you two guys get this big of a hard on from a fan...

 

what was the amp draw on that 12"?

There is very little info about these fans online and anyone who gets them doesn't do airflow measurements (I mean who does that really). The only one I've found was the corvette guy with the 18" and the measurements he got didn't match the rated CFM.

This was the thread - https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...fan-trial.html

SPEED TESTING
PAG 18" 100% / SPAL 18" 40% / SPAL 18" 100% / SPAL 16" 500w 100%
26-30amps / 22amps / 73amps / 35amps
17" blade / 18" blade / 18" blade / 16" blade
1.52721 sqft / 1.4394 sqft / 1.4394 sqft / 1.12905 sqft
2,250 ftmin / 2243 ftmin / 3,089 ftmin / 3109 ftmin
3,436 cfm / 3,228 cfm / 4,447 cfm / 3,510 cfm

 

~18.5ish, maybe a bit more but less than 19
i used an amp clamp for that. it was pretty consistent measuring it several times over the few days i was messing with them.
the relay/fuse module provided by delta has 20a j-case fuses and they didnt blow.

 

Please stop posting false data on the Delta PAG 18" fan. If you want to see published and certified airflow data, please see out website www.deltapag.com. we have all the airflow data in our catalog. The 18" fan is rated at 4,100CFM at 27amps. You have never tested it and basing your numbers on reversed engineered number from another message board is silly, you know that.

 

hilarious. Just because something is “rated” at something doesn’t mean that when it gets into hands of customers it will do what’s it’s rated. You can’t call real world tests and data, “false data”. That’s like CCI rating a bullet speed at 1800 feet per second and someone online chronographs that bullet in the same length test barrel and gets 1700fps and they post it, it’s not “false data”. Numbers are inflated all the time. Most of the time to help sales.

 

That thermostat is about $25, how many times have you seen made in the USA stamped on a thermostat?

Please tell me you installed it. Everything was wired and ready to go and programmed for that exact thermostat.

But after all is said and done these are the most powerful fans you have ever used and solved your cooling needs, right? Also the functionality is second to none.

Also, return them for a full refund or stop talking ****. Yeah, return them and get back on that Boots Theory merry-go-round thay Kfxguy is stuck on

 

yes i installed it.
my problem isnt with the fans, my problem is every time i talked to you you basically didn't listen to anything i asked or said and you just talked over me and made a ton of assumptions about what i was doing, and now youre saying i obviously fucked up when i have not found any reason to conclude what the actual problem was, regardless of fault. you are jumping to these conclusions when you have no idea what i did and never even tried to understand what went wrong. i sent the bad ecm in and you only told me over the phone the two errors it reported which honestly didnt make sense with what happened at all.
by memory, one was power cycle too fast and the other was power and signal grounds shorted? i only was told over the phone.
the fans were running fine while the car was warming up. i was checking temps on the ecu and with an ir gun and just monitoring it all when one fan just stopped in the middle of it all. the power side of the ecm developed a short which blew the fuse, and i replaced it a few times checking things and it kept blowing the fuse over and over immediately.
im happy to admit fault once theres an actual root cause but until then i refuse to assume that you have NEVER had a manufacturing defect, and any other attempt at troubleshooting was met with 'just buy my controller' or 'you fucked up, man up'

 

Im on a merry go round because I put some fan in my car for free to test out and they actually made a difference? Makes sense. I think you’re just agitated that other viable options are becoming Available that are cheaper. I get it. You think it’s going to cut into your sales. But I think you are wrong. The people that will buy a $170 fan aren’t going to consider buying yours, probably ever. If given a choice between a ho hum universal fan like you can get at the parts store and a $170 brushless fan, some people will be intrigued enough to take that leap, but not intrigued enough to spend $500 on one fan much less 900$ for two. Hopefully the people that do consider your fans, do not do an internet search and come across this thread and read your comments and see how much of a jerk you’ve been because that’s more of a turnoff than the price.

Honestly I wish you would have never came in this thread and posted. I eventually might have bought your fans if I had issues with what I have now. Honestly, I’d visit the delta pag website every now and then and look at them and wish I could afford them. Window shopping…wishing…Hell I’ll even admit I desired them because I thought they were just the end all solution that was just out of fingertips reach for me. Every time I had a little lump some of extra cash coming to me, I vowed to buy them but hesitated then something popped up unexpectedly that I had to use that money for. But now you’ve taken that dream of buying them away from me. It’s kind of a relief, but a letdown at the same time, bittersweet if you will. After seeing how much of a jackass you’ve been to people in this thread including myself, it just changes my whole outlook on them. Honestly disappoints me.

 

Ok, so this our thinking;

First, agreed, nothing is 100% infallible, but we thoroughly test absolutely every item before it ships. Your fans were run and measured (electrical and air) before they shipped. So we know for a fact that they worked well. You got them and bench tested them and you said they move a ton of air, which they do.

Second, you called us before it failed and told us that your ECU can't control the fans and then describe a way to try to make them work. I told you why don't you just install our controller since we know that will work, you told us that you cant wait three days because your customer is in a rush, (guess you're your own customer) anyway I remember ending the call "well... worst case you'll need another ECM" right? It sounded a bit sketch, nothing too crazy, but something we have not done before or tested. So risky, and definitely not recommended. Could it have worked, yeah. but you can expect us to foot the bill for your experiments or blame them product. We've sold over 100k of these over 10yrs, we know how they should be installed. They're also used in top race applications:


You sent us the faulty ECM so we can read the datalog and there were two software faults, same two faults but called multiple times. The ECM could have functioned for a short period and the faults shut everything down a bit later... maybe, who knows. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us how you did it or what wire was where

When you called and said that an ECM had failed, it was kinda expected. It wasn't that I thought you were stupid, it was that i knew you were in uncharted territory f'ing around and, yeah **** happens. How you did it exactly, I don't know. In my mind, ok no big deal, $140, back up and running. To cool a big block Chevy that probably cost over $5k to build and is notoriously difficult to cool. Sure, whatever. What I found very surprising and disappointing is that you clutched your pearls and said our product was faulty. That's not right.

Do you have a photo of the install? I'm sure people would love to see it.