I agree with you man, so so far the stand of APS is that there is nothing wrong with the kit and there is no problem.

I have not heard word from peter, who has always been there to help me. so I guess we wait for a responce from him.

the sad part of this for me is that I will be at the TA nationals this weekend in ohio to represent zeus performance and show off my APS kit. but the tig welds although functional are not at all pretty. if anyone else is going stop by and say hi look for the car in the sig.

 

Would silicone hoses right there allow enough flex/compression from the swaybar kissing/squishing the tube? The only problem would be anybody blowing the couplings off if they're running a higher boost application. And eventually that part would wear out, but how many of you actually plan on running the same kit for xx years and heavy use or even have the same setup after only 3-5 years?

 

I went to AutoZone tonight and purchased new Enerygy Suspension Polyurethane swaybar endlinks. None of the ones they had there were short enough so I just bought the cheapest set ($9.99 instead of $14.99) and modified them. I cut the intermediate spacer to where I had one inch in between the bushings. This lowered the swaybar about two inches. I put the taller cut part on top of the assembly with a washer on top and that allowed me to tighten the nut down. I have pics if anyone wants to see them. At this point, I have a good one inch of clearance now with the suspension loaded. I'm not extremely worried about the intercooler piping being crushed but I will definitely have to take it easy around corners until APS supplies or I purchase the swaybar spacers. Turbo Technologies sells 1.25" and 2.0" spacers. I lowered my endlinks two inches so I am going to lower my swaybar the same. After that, I should have a solid two inches or more of clearance in case I feel like getting crazy. This should be more than enough for even the slammed people, especially since they won't experience much bodyroll from having stiffer springs. APS, this is an easy fix. You guys could probably fabricate these swaybar spacers for $20 a set. Please send them to everyone who needs them/wants them and either include them or offer them as an accessory for "lowered cars" now that you know how the kit works in real-life situations. We love these kits, they are beautiful and we want to keep them this way. Even though you can't see the dents, no one wants them there. Peter, please get with your team and give us an answer. Thats all we want.

BTW, for those of you who are saying you are glad you didn't buy this kit, I wouldn't trade this kit for ANYTHING. Except for these few problems, the fit and finish is BETTER than OEM. I'm going to figure out a way to keep my intake silicone hoses from collapsing and then I will have 800 reliable horsepower. I have seen A LOT of kits and this is by far the best engineered and best quality I have seen. It's not cheap but you get what you pay for. APS released this kit fairly quickly after they had it on the dyno, I think they were anxious to get it to the public because they knew we were anxious. I think everyone who owns this kit will agree to that.

 

that is a very nice post. I agree with you that the APS is a nice kit. however i dont think that shortening the end links is theright long term answer. you adjust the angle as to which the the sway bar is positioned, thus reducing its effectiveness. granted you all are not going to be autocrossing your 6-800 hp mosters. but for daily driving and getting to the track it is a very important problem that needs to still be PROPERLY addressed. instead of getting shorter end links i would suggest making spacers the actually bolt to the frame to drop the sway bar down uniformly. Once i get back from the nationals that will be another project along with some other things that will neaten up the install

on the soap box

For the people complaining about spending another... $10... seriously!!!! I have never been one to be worried about nickel and diming. when the parts start costing Jacksons and Benji's then it makes my butt hole pucker up tighter then a choir boy at a priest convention. There are always extra things that you can get that will make your life easier in the end. we all blow our budgets when it comes to mods. but for 10 bucks

 

Lets let things cool down before we start bashing anyone especially APS. It wont help anything.... Peter has answered all of our questions that he has been swamped by for over the last 1.5 years! Lets give APS some time...These solutions just dont pop out over night.

Anyways... These kits are great! I couldnt be more happier with mine.

Thanks

 

I'm not sure if you have seen my earlier post, if not, please see the link below,

Peter

https://ls1tech.com/forums/showpost....7&postcount=23

 

So thats your fix? Take the pipe off and press it in our self. Thats fucked up. Also where are our upgraded inlets is it a 2.5 inch inlet or 3 inch on the upgrades???

And another thing, why dont you anwser everyones question in one post. All at the same time. Instead of doing what you do. You only partly answer our questions. Thats another thing I dont understand about you and APS.

PS: Is APS FOR SALE??? Because I'd like to know how much, so it can be run the right way.

 

why can't we just leave the sway bar alone and have new pipes made different design?

 

i dont own a an aps but my ? is the pipes fit on your test car and thats fine. they fit on the customers cars too.
the problem is not installing the pipes its THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE MOVING SUSPENSION.
was the test car autcrossed or roadraced at all? did it go through the normal driving torture of neglected roads? im not bashing anyone but just because something phyically fits doesnt mean it has proper clearance. kinda like over the axle true duals, i can make them fit nice when its parked but driving it is a whole other noisey issue.

 

well it looks like APS has gone the way of STS.... Like with the STS kit, you NEED to modify it for it to work properly. Its a tuner kit afterall. I kind of see where Peter from APS is coming from. You guys are having issues with the intake ducts getting pinched, scratched, etc. Now think of all the problems with the STS kit that us rear mount guys have to fix. (Ground clearance, oiling issues...)

Because of ground clearance, i myself have scraped and bent some intake pipes on my setup, but does STS give a ****? Nope. They would probably tell me the same thing Peter said, even though the damage to the piping is due to their poor engineering of the kit itself. So therefore, there is nothing i can do but just fix it myself.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but you guys are probably just going to have to deal with it or fix the problem yourselves. Sure its fucked up, and more $$ out of your pockets, but APS is probably more concerned about sales and getting their name out there in the aftermarket world, rather than worry us. (cough* STS cough*) Afterall, with all the kits they make they are getting pretty mainstream.

Now does that mean the APS TT setup is a pile? Hell no, but flaws like this are inevitable with aftermarket power adders. If its not OEM dont always count on it fitting perfectly.

JMO

 

To be honest I could care less if the kit was perfect or not. The way Peter handles things is fucked up. He only answers the questions he wants to... Yeah APS TT kits are badass and well thought out, but you have to know when you build it and you drive it your going to have to tweeqe(sp) things before you put it out on the market. Best advertisement is word of mouth, so if you have shity customer service then your going to feel it.

On a side note, whatever happen to the GenTT kit. Haven't heard much about it or what about there problems. The only reason I didn't buy that one was of the low lying piping under the K member.

Well I just dropped the car off to get bigger turbos put in, custom inlets made, FAST 92mm intake and TB, and fix some other stuff.

 

Maybe I have missed a question from you as I have not had time to read the entire thread. If you have a question please post and I will get back to you ASAP.

Thanks,

Peter

 

See thats the **** I'm talking about, all you have to do is read five post up and theres a question right there? ****!!!!!!!

 

Before this turns into a total **** fest, I do still think the kit is unbeatable for the price (especially if you got in on it early in the game when it was on sale). It's a pretty tall order to tackle a twin turbo kit for an f-body. It's not like we have a ton of space to deal with here. The fit & finish of the kit sans the swaybar issue is immaculate and unlike almost any other turbo kit I have ever seen.

While the swaybar issue is an annoyance and does affect me even on stock suspension, in the grand scheme of things, it is a very small issue on such an extensive kit.

I've got to pull my trans soon to have the converter restalled, while the car is on the lift I'm going to try my best to find another solution. Will report back...

 

Such small issues, why hasn't APS come up with a solution again? Excellent value aside, if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit. Lowered or stock ride height it still hits....bummer.

 

That's it............just remove the pipe and press the pipe to gain a little more clearance............it's a very straight forward correction to the issue.

Peter

 

yes peter I have read that post that is why in the very next post after that i respond back to you questioning the fexlibility of stainless this is not simply an aluminium pipe here that i can put in a press and sqeeze. the reason the pipe cracked is because it bent past it's threshold of bendablitiy. I know this is physics but hard metals dont bend they break.


For the rest of you i am going to PARTLY side with Keliente. yes it is relitivly a small part... but then again it is a CRITICAL PART. my pipes BROKE which means i have 1. no boost pressure and 2. unfiltered air going into my engine. thus equating to a lot of

So yeah Kwik your approch is not really helping the matter. basically APS can tell all of us to go pound sand, and if i worked in customer service (like i do) and you would have come up to me with that attitude i would have basically told you . im not here to just complain I am here to find ANSWERS

If i wanted to start a flaming post here to just randomly bitch there are MUCH bigger problems i am currently having with my car at the moment. But i called BS when they said i was the only one to ever have this problem with the pipes and i have proved myself correct. I dont think there is a single person that does not currently have a problem with this that did not remove they sway bar in the first place. of course yes of the 200 or so kits maybe 50 people who have it are on this board and maybe 25 check it a month and 10 check it most every day. so not everyone has posted that has this kit but this is not the be all and end all forum.

i sit and wait for peters answer....again......

 

Nasty, I saw your e-mail with the pix, and this does suck. Welcome to the world of FI! But, just like Schantin mentioned, there are other kits that have required far more custom type of fixes. This is a fairly small problem, it just happens to be a pretty important spot in the system.

I think Peter/APS is getting an overly hard time over this, however I do think suggesting that your customers go bend the pipes themselves isn't a great solution. There has got to be some sort of reason to this problem. Even if it means shipping new pipes to all of your customers, with the old ones sent back to you like a core charge (in the event that you can modify those, and use them on something else).

That's my .02, probably worth less.

 

I'm not saying this is the best approach either but I understand and appreciate his frustration. No one likes to be blown off and that is exactly what Peter does. Peter did exactly what Kwikkar accused him of and I actually wonder if it was intentional or not . I've never seen any other mod except Bill from Highflo cherry pick which questions to answer and then only provide a partial answer. It's like a guy twice your size being right in your face because you just made fun of his chic and looking around him like you didn't say it and you don't realize you're about to get your *** beat.

A normal, direct response from a company would be, "Alright guys, we looked at our test mule and we know that our car is a 4x4 and every car is different (ask Sam Strano). Our engineers feel that pressing the pipes is an easy solution. For those of you who have cracked piping, send us pics to confirm the damage and we will send you replacements courtesy of.... We will be adding a warning to the instructions for people who have lower(ed) ride height that swaybar spacers may be required at your own cost."

**************Peter, this is a DIRECT QUESTION to you**************

What is APS going to do about WS6taguy who found out first and the hard way that this kit CRUSHES the intercooler pipes? Blame was pushed on his installer and the result of that is this post. We now know that it is NOT an installer error as everyone is coming out about the issue. You've given everyone with 'clearance issues' a horrible (imho) bandaid fix to 'press the pipes', which won't work because that extra half inch of clearance won't make a dent (no pun intended) in the amount of clearance actually needed to avoid contact/crushing. However, the damage to his pipes are beyond that point. His pipes are cracked, broken, unable to hold boost, useless, etc. I think it would be a great Customer Relations solution to provide him with NEW replacement pipes that he can then 'press' to prevent this from happening again. I think that would be awesome... and only fair.

 

NOW THAT IS HOW YOU POST!!!