Fed up with 9" vibrations
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Staging Lane
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Aviano, Italy
Fed up with 9" vibrations 01' Hawk with T56. I upgraded to MWC 9" with 3.70 gears and PST metal shaft. Car has Hotchkis LCA and Panhard bar. MWC set up has short arm.
Coasting at lower speeds (like downhill) vibrates but stops when I let out the clutch in gear. Drones bad at 75+ and vibrates but always worse when I let off.
I have -3.7 degrees on the balancer, -4.4 on the tranny output flange. I have been up and down the spectrum with the adjustable arm and when I incease negative pinion angle the coast vibe is less but drone is worse, opposite for increasing angle. I have been as high as 6.5 on the + and 3.5 on the-. I usually got 2 flats on the nut and I have over a 100 hours in this tuning and no luck.
Today I replaced the tailshaft bushing, no change, I have also changed the u-joints. I have a pit and today I had the rear just off the ground and had the wife run the car at 80+ and just vibrates everywhere so you can pinpoint it.
I can't take it anymore and am ready to rebuild the 10 bolt and go back. Wife won't even drive the car anymore it is so bad. I plan on having the drive shaft checked this week.
Any ideas?
Coasting at lower speeds (like downhill) vibrates but stops when I let out the clutch in gear. Drones bad at 75+ and vibrates but always worse when I let off.
I have -3.7 degrees on the balancer, -4.4 on the tranny output flange. I have been up and down the spectrum with the adjustable arm and when I incease negative pinion angle the coast vibe is less but drone is worse, opposite for increasing angle. I have been as high as 6.5 on the + and 3.5 on the-. I usually got 2 flats on the nut and I have over a 100 hours in this tuning and no luck.
Today I replaced the tailshaft bushing, no change, I have also changed the u-joints. I have a pit and today I had the rear just off the ground and had the wife run the car at 80+ and just vibrates everywhere so you can pinpoint it.
I can't take it anymore and am ready to rebuild the 10 bolt and go back. Wife won't even drive the car anymore it is so bad. I plan on having the drive shaft checked this week.
Any ideas?
On The Tree
Joined: Sep 2005
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From: The Middle of Nowhere, Oklahoma
Could be the harmonic balancer, the driveshaft, or could be in the transmission. A lot of folks will say transmissions dont vibrate, but when bearings and gears wear and develop slack between them and the shafts they're on, vibrations show up.
As camd01silv stated problem could be one/combo many things, but I do not think it would be just the 9" I do not think just going back to the 10 will correct your problems
Johnny
Johnny
I chased a vibe for years and adjusted and replaced drive shafts to no avail. Did the tailshaft bushings too. Loads of wasted time and frustration.
One day I noticed that my vibes were only in 5th and 6th gears and decided to blame the T56 since there was nothing else that could be casuing the vibe. I was correct and the tranny needed a rebuild and ever since it has been smooth as silk.
First make sure the DS is balanced, then reach the speed at which it vibes in 4th, 5th and 6th and determine if it is only vibrating in 5th or 6th. If so, go here https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...vibration.html
FTR, the PST DS I received was not properly balanced. When I got it, it had no added weights. When they checked it and returned it, there was a newly added large washer on one end so clearly it was out of whack. The vibe this gave off was around 50MPH.
One day I noticed that my vibes were only in 5th and 6th gears and decided to blame the T56 since there was nothing else that could be casuing the vibe. I was correct and the tranny needed a rebuild and ever since it has been smooth as silk.
First make sure the DS is balanced, then reach the speed at which it vibes in 4th, 5th and 6th and determine if it is only vibrating in 5th or 6th. If so, go here https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...vibration.html
FTR, the PST DS I received was not properly balanced. When I got it, it had no added weights. When they checked it and returned it, there was a newly added large washer on one end so clearly it was out of whack. The vibe this gave off was around 50MPH.
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I chased a vibe for years and adjusted and replaced drive shafts to no avail. Did the tailshaft bushings too. Loads of wasted time and frustration.
One day I noticed that my vibes were only in 5th and 6th gears and decided to blame the T56 since there was nothing else that could be casuing the vibe. I was correct and the tranny needed a rebuild and ever since it has been smooth as silk.
First make sure the DS is balanced, then reach the speed at which it vibes in 4th, 5th and 6th and determine if it is only vibrating in 5th or 6th. If so, go here https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...vibration.html
FTR, the PST DS I received was not properly balanced. When I got it, it had no added weights. When they checked it and returned it, there was a newly added large washer on one end so clearly it was out of whack. The vibe this gave off was around 50MPH.
One day I noticed that my vibes were only in 5th and 6th gears and decided to blame the T56 since there was nothing else that could be casuing the vibe. I was correct and the tranny needed a rebuild and ever since it has been smooth as silk.
First make sure the DS is balanced, then reach the speed at which it vibes in 4th, 5th and 6th and determine if it is only vibrating in 5th or 6th. If so, go here https://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tr...vibration.html
FTR, the PST DS I received was not properly balanced. When I got it, it had no added weights. When they checked it and returned it, there was a newly added large washer on one end so clearly it was out of whack. The vibe this gave off was around 50MPH.
Frequently these type of problems existed prior to up-grading a rearend but the vibrationswere partially absorbed with the flimsy stock drivetrain. Adding a sturdy driveshaft and rearend makes it seem they are the problem but in reality they are simply revealing prior issues.
I'm confused with the measurements You gave with Your balancer. Hopefully You are not using these to set Your pinion angle?
Carl
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Staging Lane
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Aviano, Italy
I am currently setting the pinion angle based upon the drive shaft angle. It is -1 so I have the pinion set +.5 right now. I have to wait two weeks to get the DS checked as the only shop around that can do it is closing for vacation. I know the owner real good so he will not BS me.
Low speed vibrations are on coast, high speed is both under load and coast. Vibration/drone in 4th at 85 is less pronounced than in 6th.
I'll check the tranny yoke depth this weekend when I get time.
Low speed vibrations are on coast, high speed is both under load and coast. Vibration/drone in 4th at 85 is less pronounced than in 6th.
I'll check the tranny yoke depth this weekend when I get time.
I have a vibration in my setup as well. I complained about it as soon as I got back home after the swap. Long story short my issue is from the Strange axels not having enough flange on them to properly center the rims.
Who's rims if I may ask? It's usually rims that are wrong instead of axles. They try and market the rim to different applications. I had a set I got rid of for just that reason. Higher quality rim fit perfect. Strange is such a high quality company...but I guess it's possible they let something out the door they shouldn't have.
I had a vibration that turned out to be a worn/improperly torqued pinion gear. Apparently the yoke had been taken off to replace a seal, and then corners cut on properly setting it back up.
Who's rims if I may ask? It's usually rims that are wrong instead of axles. They try and market the rim to different applications. I had a set I got rid of for just that reason. Higher quality rim fit perfect. Strange is such a high quality company...but I guess it's possible they let something out the door they shouldn't have.
TECH Resident
Joined: Dec 2001
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From: Mehlingen, Germany
Did you mean reputable?
The wheels on our cars are lug centric, they don't use the axle hub to center on.
The bolt in style studs are not as straight as the pressed in type, and should net be used to center the wheel up. If you look close in this video you can see my passenger side wheel moving up and down. I messed with this 9 inch for over a year before figuring it out.
http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m...=VIDEO0009.mp4